Connect with another being in a dream

Discuss paranormal activity linked with sleep and dreams, such as out of body experiences, astral projection and psychic dreams.
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RedKryptonite
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Re: Connect with another being in a dream

Postby RedKryptonite » 17 Dec 2017 08:01

lucidé wrote:We need to greatly change some of the ways they experiment in science as well. One thing we need to get rid of in science is animal cruelty, especially in the experiment labs. Animal activists are slowly taking down many of the experiment labs that are subjecting these poor creatures to a slow painful death (it isn't just rats BTW, but think in terms of kittens, baby monkeys, and puppies dying a very slow agonizing death). If the scientists feel the need to do painful experiments on a living thing, experiment on a serial killer (they've inflicted pain on living things, and would inflict more of it, I feel no empathy at that point for them). They would just go out and hurt others anyways (the animals would hurt no one, no reason to hurt animals). I believe science would advance further in finding results in helping them in the future if they experimented on a few of the killers rather than on animals.

Ah,the necessary evil we have to resort to for the continuation of our species. More reason to validate David Benatar's philosophy. If you transferred my consciousness and knowledge to the first man who ever existed,maybe I would have ignored the first woman and simply lived my life Childfree and Sex-free till I died,using lucid dreaming as my primary source of fun. (or commit suicide if I couldn't handle the harshness of caveman life)
This would have ensured the demise of our species and humans would have never existed,but at the same time,I'd be saving billions upon billions all throughout history from experience suffering. :geek: :ugeek:

You know,apparently there are people out there born with the inability to feel physical pain and it is genetic.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-people-who-cant-feel-pain-scientists-discover-cause-of-rare-inherited-condition-that-turns-off-10274604.html

If,via cloning and genetic engineering,we were able to produce human beings like these en masse,they'd be a good source of scientific experimentation in the future(and for organ donations and stuff). It is still very morally questionable though,but you can argue that it will produce better results and its more ethical than putting animals through painful procedures.

Edit: Actually,this sparks up a question. What would have been the least painful way for a Caveman to kill themselves given their resources? In the modern age,we have certain drugs that could help achieve a painfree death. It just so happens that the law takes measures to make them difficult to access for civilians. All I could think of is consume multiple hallucinogenic mushrooms(assuming they existed back then and you could identify them)then jump off from a great height as soon as you feel them start to take effect. :geek:

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Re: Connect with another being in a dream

Postby Summerlander » 19 Dec 2017 16:08

Sorry, but I couldn't let the distorted quantum mechanical mumbo jumbo from Amaradreamer slide ... :mrgreen:

Sean Caroll tells us why the statement that atoms are almost entirely empty space isn't strictly accurate---electrons are more like fuzzy clouds of probabilities that we never get to see; we only see what has already been affected by measurement/observation. :geek:

Language didn't evolve to accurately describe these radical states of reality which are so far divorced from the classical---hence where all the confusion arises and crackpots take advantage of this to make it all sound like it's magic. :D

Check out his explanation and you'll see why people opt to heed pseudoscientific documentaries like 'What the Bleep Do We Know?' instead:

https://youtu.be/Nf-e-wPc6pc

This excerpt from one of my old posts reflects how reality really works---as counterintuitive as it may sound (why should reality be what we expect it to be?):

'Professor Brian Cox once said the following: "Quantum mechanics is weird, but not weird enough to allow a grain of sand to hop unaided out of a matchbox." Have you noticed the word "unaided" in the quote? On a sandy beach, there is a chance that there will be "aids" to make the "hopping" out of the box possible. The wind could pry open the matchbox. A smoker could pick it up in search of matches and empty it out in frustration. A crab could come...

'The beach context teems with possibilities that make the hopping practically possible. However, lock away the matchbox in an empty vault and chances are that there will be no hopping. If we think of quantum particles and acknowledge that they behave somewhat like a particle and somewhat like a wave in a probabilistic framework, we will find that, within the inner and outer cluster of peaks and troughs, the waves cancel each other out in certain points. This will quickly take place as we make the measurement, because, things on a smaller scale "secretly" play out all scenarios before settling on the most likely outcome. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle hinges on this. We must also remember that, on a quantum level, it is apparent that nothing is at rest, even those particles which are not effected upon by force - this is where Newton's laws (which although logical and very applicable on a macro scale) are thrown out of the window. The more precisely you know the position of a particle at some instant, the less well you know how fast it is moving and therefore where it will be sometime later.

'Now, we live in a quantum universe, and, a grain of sand is a relatively ginormous object in the quantum realm. It is so huge that it no longer appears to obey quantum laws and conforms to classical physics. However, it is made up of those tiny packets of energy that move and jump all the time. The bigger the object gets, the more time is incremented in their unaided motion. Make no mistake about it, according to quantum theory, the grain is moving unaided (because like everything else, it stems from the quantum realm) but it is too big for any noticeable movement and its properties can be easily measured. This lies at the heart of quantum physics. It is encompassed in Heisenberg's breakthrough formulae. This is how things really work. Newton was not wrong, but, his picture was incomplete. Imagine a grain of sand inside a 3cm-length matchbox. Physicists can calculate how long it will take for the grain to hop to the confines of a 4cm radius - beyond the matchbox (!) - unaided. Do you know how long it would take? Over a thousand times the current age of the universe! Meaning it won't happen! You might as well say that the grain is not moving and be content with that. Quantum mechanically speaking, not impossible but improbable. Hence where Cox is coming from with the matchbox and grain quote. The scenario proposed by quantum mechanics is hard to swallow and often hard to understand, but, that is the nature of the universe.'
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Connect with another being in a dream

Postby AmaraDreamer » 24 Dec 2017 11:38

"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter."

Question: how can this be "out of context"? At least admit that there are scientists who are idealists, or you're just sounding rejecting facts.

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Re: Connect with another being in a dream

Postby AmaraDreamer » 24 Dec 2017 11:38

"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter." - Max Planck

Question: how can this be "out of context"? At least admit that there are scientists who are idealists, or you're just sounding rejecting facts.

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Re: Connect with another being in a dream

Postby Summerlander » 24 Dec 2017 21:26

There are a million things that Freud said which are wrong. Freud was full of shit. :mrgreen:

First of all, scientists are not necessarily language experts---and many do not communicate as well as they could. I'd also append that everybody on Earth is nothing but a mammal searching for answers. I see that you never checked out my links so there is no point talking to a bigot who denies reality. :roll:

Secondly, notice the oxymoron in the quote you posted. First it states that there is 'no matter as such'. Suddenly, in the next sentence we are told that matter exists ... :D

It is true that matter originates from something else, and that something cannot be matter. Logic! Duh. But the forces responsible are not something spiritual or of a ghostly essence. They are still physical. Remember, physics isn't just about materials---it's also about interactions and forces. Hence the reason why the term physicalism tends to be favoured over materialism.

Anything that interacts with---and produces effects in---this reality is 'physical' by definition. A soul could never manipulate a physical body because it is 'non-physical'. The Large Hadron Collider has already proved that ghosts do not exist. :ugeek:

Water also originates from H2O molecules---and I assure you those molecules are not wet! The wetness of water is an emergent property and more to do with how we perceive it than anything else. The forces responsible for matter are not necessarily supernatural, by the way. In fact, they are quite natural, predictable and behave as expected.

Quick request/test for Amaradreamer: I'd love it if you could define 'matter' for me. Subsequently, define 'force' ... :mrgreen:

I've mentioned before that Newton thought God took care of the rest that he did not understand about astrophysics. This belief was quickly abolished when Laplace's refined equations arrived at the scene ...

Planck is merely the originator of quantum theory. The theory has developed since and the old man's stance on the nature of reality has long become obsolete. Planck was another one who jumped the gun in assuming there was something intelligent behind the roots of reality.

A lot of scientists throughout history were tempted to employ the 'God of the gaps'. That's merely human beings jumping the gun until someone makes a discovery and God is no longer responsible for a particular feature of reality. 8-)

Planck was just a man, Amaradreamer. Not a prophet or messiah. Prophets don't exist. Take it from me. :roll:

After his son was killed by the Nazis, Planck wrote to his friend Anton Kippenberg, saying:

'If there is consolation anywhere it is in the Eternal, and I consider it a grace of Heaven that belief in the Eternal has been rooted deeply in me since childhood.'

Yep. Only human. Brainwashed since birth. Willing to believe in things---without evidence---with the sole purpose of consoling himself. Can you see the psychology behind it? He wasn't speaking to his friend as a scientist. He spoke as a broken father, a weak man who could not bear the harsh realities of life and chose, for that time being, to delude himself with fairytales. It is sort of what you do ... :o

Seen as Planck was a member of the Lutheran Church, I wouldn't put it past him to say something as ludicrous as the quote you posted just to appease his religious family and friends. A lot of scientific individuals do that. They say one thing to the laymen and another to their colleagues. Why? Because they often want to keep both social circles. Why do people lie? To get ahead; to make others feel better; to hide the truth from others or to deny it to themselves. The reasons may also be political. One thing is for sure: we can't be gullible enough to take every claim at face value---even if the claimant has already acquired a certain level of repute for past achievements.

You failed to mention the fact that he retracted such pious statements in his latter years with contradictions emphasising the importance of getting rid of the belief in miracles and, shortly before he died, the affirmation that he did not believe in a personal god much less the Biblical one.

I smell spuriousness here ... :twisted:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava


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