Dreaming for information

Tell us about your first lucid dream - and your latest. We want all the juicy details. Also share results of dream challenge experiments.
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Re: Dreaming for information

Postby Highlander » 04 Nov 2013 20:57

Knife wrote:Why would your subconscious know these things?


Yes, i know that. It can't. It's just an experience. Just to see what happens, having a little fun. The point here is just the fact that i asked for a 5-digit number and my subconscious gives me all kinds of answers but the one i asked. Well, the closest one was 34567, but i wanted to see a more random number.

It's like, if i ask the dream to show me a red Ferrari car and then it shows me a chair, a blue Fiat with a pink ribbon or a recipe for chocolate mousse. :D

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Re: Dreaming for information

Postby Knife » 04 Nov 2013 21:01

Why would your subconscious know lottery numbers?
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Re: Dreaming for information

Postby LucidLink » 04 Nov 2013 21:03

Knife wrote:Why would your subconscious know these things?


Time isn't linear, in the lucid state it is quite easy for our subcontious to acsess future information.

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Re: Dreaming for information

Postby Knife » 04 Nov 2013 21:28

LucidLink wrote:
Knife wrote:Why would your subconscious know these things?


Time isn't linear, in the lucid state it is quite easy for our subcontious to acsess future information.

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Hmm I'm not going to discuss wether time is linear/isn't linear but I would be surprised if this would work.
Isn't the subconscious filled with things we couldn't store in our conscious mind? How are the numbers stored there?
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Re: Dreaming for information

Postby Vonozar » 05 Nov 2013 01:34

Knife wrote:Why would your subconscious know lottery numbers?


I think for a lot of people it's just a bit of fun. They don't expect it to work usually. I personally don't believe there is a way your subconscious could know, it's just something to try and see what happens. How the dream responds to your request. It sounds like a lot of people follow this mindset and just do it as a "It probably won't work, but hey why not. It could be fun" type of thing. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong and there is a way. ;)

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Re: Dreaming for information

Postby Highlander » 05 Nov 2013 10:27

Vonozar wrote:I think for a lot of people it's just a bit of fun. They don't expect it to work usually. I personally don't believe there is a way your subconscious could know, it's just something to try and see what happens. How the dream responds to your request. It sounds like a lot of people follow this mindset and just do it as a "It probably won't work, but hey why not. It could be fun" type of thing. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong and there is a way. ;)


Exactly my point. 100%. ;)

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Re: Dreaming for information

Postby LucidLink » 06 Nov 2013 05:05

There is a well documented case of a women winning the lottery twice in America, she got the numbers from the dreams.

It's possible, believe it or not.

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Re: Dreaming for information

Postby Summerlander » 06 Nov 2013 12:41

First, how can the subconscious have access to information about something that hasn't happened yet? As far as we can tell, time seems to flow one way.

Second, the women with the winning lottery tickets. It could still be a coincidental fluke and not necessarily related to her dreams. She is only one in billions of dreams who never win. In fact, if a coincidental case like hers never happened, then it would be odd.

When the odds are overwhelmingly against someone winning, it does not make it impossible for them to win

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Re: Dreaming for information

Postby LucidLink » 06 Nov 2013 13:04

Summerlander wrote:First, how can the subconscious have access to information about something that hasn't happened yet? As far as we can tell, time seems to flow one way.

Second, the women with the winning lottery tickets. It could still be a coincidental fluke and not necessarily related to her dreams. She is only one in billions of dreams who never win. In fact, if a coincidental case like hers never happened, then it would be odd.

When the odds are overwhelmingly against someone winning, it does not make it impossible for them to win

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Your right, I've never done it personally either so who knows.

But me personally, I don't believe in "concinceadences":)

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Re: Dreaming for information

Postby Summerlander » 06 Nov 2013 20:25

LucidLink wrote:But me personally, I don't believe in "concinceadences":)


Fair enough. I am the complete opposite. I totally buy into coincidences...especially meaningless ones which are often assigned some sort of meaning by human beings.

To me, the universe is nothing but an ongoing explosion encompassing random events. Such events are conveyed by physical elements and forces which are causally related in nature. Example: This never happened, but, if I'd had a sneezing fit whilst making love to my wife about a decade ago, the sperm cell that sowed my son's existence might not have had a chance.

To dismiss coincidence is to imply that events are preordained by an intelligence. The reasons for occurrences in the universe are natural and do not require an intelligence behind it. You may reject this claim, and, if you do, you must believe in some sort of ultimate goal, a divine or providential entelechy if you will.

Before you throw evolution into the mix, let me point out that things don't always get better. In fact, they often get worse. Anatomies aren't perfect, evolution can take the wrong route (this is the case with humans as well as other species), species can go extinct, natural catastrophes are impersonal/indifferent to living things, etc. etc.

If we are to look back at our history, that of our prehistoric ancestors, and our extinct cousin primates, too, and still presume some sort of intelligent plan behind the nature of reality - with all its haps and mishaps - we can't help but exclaim: Some clumsy, relenting, and inconsiderate plan it has turned out to be! Where is it going? Perfection? Doubtful.

And what about the coincidental happenings that are supposed to have some kind of meaning? What are they for? Signs? Couldn't the intelligent providence find another means of communication that is clearer and less, erm, riddle-like? Something immune to scepticism and which would remove all shadow of a doubt, perhaps? Why are so-called "revelations" usually consigned to chosen individuals who then require others, who have not received any message, to blindly and compulsorily believe?

Why restrict revelation to a messenger when all could receive it? And how does one reconcile a universe where coincidences do not exist with the absence of a prime mover or architect (if, indeed, this is your position). Unless, of course, you believe in a Providence, God, or deity. If so, if it is intelligent, it must be malicious, capricious, and up to mind games with its little sentient creations. If it is none of those things, it cannot be intelligent given what we see and have seen around us - certainly not very coherent if indeed there is no such thing as coincidence.
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