Talking with Non LD friends and family

[dreamstudent]

People sleep walk through life thinking they know everything, but fail to realize waking life is only one side of a coin. Dreams are the other aspect of our psyche and to truly understand and know thyself, it is common sense to embrace your dreams and understand them. D'UH!

And knowing thyself has HUGE ramifications on waking life!

I wish I could say that out loud to my family, but I have to bite my tongue and understand that they simply don't get it. I have patience though and we should just all lead by example. I don't have anyone else to turn to either so that's why I come here!

Nothing's too crazy for me, buildit. I read your post about 'know thyself', and I didn't reply because all I would say is, "Yes!"

Well said Hagart. I do find myself very disturbed by the fact that people always say that we spend 1/3 of our life sleeping/unconscious when sleeping can in fact mean the very opposite of unconiousness but people just don't understand that. Psychology is considered a psduoscience and that's why the subject of dreaming which is primarily derived of from psychology isn't "credible" in the science world as a "measurable process" which I don't agree with at all. and that's why its not taken seriously by our community I theorize anyway. But im getting off topic it hurts me to know that I cant convince my family that there dreams are important and that they should look into them and try to understand them as it could help solve real life problems for them but I too bite my tongue... ARE WE ALL AS LUCID DREAMERS EVERYONE ON THIS SPECIFIC SUBJECT DOING THE RIGHT THING BY BITING OUR TONGUES AND NOT GETTING ON THE SUBJECT WITH OUR FAMILIES? ID LIKE TO KNOW YOUR OPINIONS THANK YOU.

[dreamstudent]

I think there is an unspoken stigma about discussing these sorts of ideas and concepts because there are some real nut cases out there who sink their teeth into abstract ideas in order to make their hypotheses work in reality. Even in discussing it on this forum I am somewhat guarded because I know how some of this sounds and I am trying very hard to be very open minded to the ideas and interpretation of others. Hate for everyone to find out what a mad man I really am.

Actually Lucid Dreams aren't the only thing that receives controversy. Multimedia Design can be a form of controversy to many. Because designers are known to kill their Multimedia Characters or to do other things in their projects that would considered taboo in reality, people highly criticize them for that. It is even worse for them with discrimination when it comes to religious leaders. Religious leaders will almost always criticize them for doing such evil things, and will imply they are monsters that will be sent to hades because of the things they put in their projects. Hello to the leaders? Multimedia is NOT the real world. It is a reality we create ourselves through special programs, and therefore it shouldn't affect the real world on what we are doing with our projects (most of our designs in fact remain closed off from the public). Also if you decide to make a project based on what you believe in politics, then that can cause taboo as well.

Understandable buildit I too was also very cautious at first of this site and what I posted but then I just had to post something that actually meant something to me to find out what these other people knew. I of course looked at a lot of posts and stuff to see if they were legit.

Nesgirl: I dislike how religious leaders also criticize something that isn't directly affiliated with religion to being something evil or bad. im sure there is a religion out there that says tampering with the dream world is evil doing..

[buildit]

Like religion, discussing it with the unwilling will only build animosity and distrust. I guess it is best to wait till someone asks you, "How'd you know / do / think of that?" That may be the time when a receptive mind can understand.

[HAGART]

I actually brought this same topic up before somewhere in the past archive here in the off-topic section. Others have too. Buildit wasn't the first.

I say, you can't cram knowledge down someone's throat and you must be patient and considerate. (Perhaps a little smug since we all know better). But don't say it. Keep it to yourself and just give subtle hints from time to time. Your close friends and loved ones will eventually be intrigued and wonder why you are the way you are and they will be the ones asking questions before you even have answers.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. But everyone gets thirsty after a while...

[buildit]

No ritual, just one of my lucid dreams. The ideas of conservation of energy and transference between mater and energy states are both scientific theories with a lot of basis in fact. You should try it! Fastest way to travel in space, speed of thought!

I can already do that in my dream body controlled WILDs, so why would I need to convert myself into energy? I can go to whatever places I want in this WILD within seconds, whether it be places in my hometown, places out of town, places in space, or within the Alien World (not full of aliens, just a different place in my Lucid Dream full of DCs). Why would I want to be just energy if I can use my full dream body in this situation.

Then go with what you know.

[dreamstudent]

Anyone wanna try to physically ascend to an energy state?

Uh no thanks. That sounds too much like an undead ritual, and even in a Lucid Dream I am phobic of the undead (not of the undead themselves, but of the rituals or becoming one of them)[/quote]

Nesgirl I am not trying to nag but you recently helped me to show me that my fear was a needless fear to have and that by become lucid in my dreams I can more easily face my fear. Why have you not faced the fear of the ritual for undead in one of your lucid dreams? I thought that masters of dream control like Hagart, you and buildit would be fearless?

[HAGART]

I am not a "master".
I am a constant pupil.

[buildit]

Nesgirl I am not trying to nag but you recently helped me to show me that my fear was a needless fear to have and that by become lucid in my dreams I can more easily face my fear. Why have you not faced the fear of the ritual for undead in one of your lucid dreams? I thought that masters of dream control like Hagart, you and buildit would be fearless?

Franklin Roosevelt was who famously said that, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". The philosophical side of this statement won over his audience and the general public. The reality of it lead thousands to their death in Normandy and other sites across Europe. Only a fool is fearless and only a wise person learns to turn that fear into something that fuels the mind and soul!

[buildit]

I was so expecting the vision of undead to be something out of friday the 13th or that evil dead tv show that the pokeman thing really threw me. Sorry, very different realities can make for great personal irony.

[HAGART]

We all have fears don't we? Nesgirl happens to have a phobia which she admits, so I am not out of line by sharing that. I have my own.... for me, it's airplanes. I use to fly in them all the time, but now, I can't. I just hate the claustrophobic feeling of hurling in the air in a metal tube with only 'speed' as your means of staying aloft. What if an engine fails? I see the wings flex and wonder if they will break. I feel like I'm in a rickety, man-made contraption that should not float! (I think too much and it can drive me to fear, and anxiety!)

I can get over it though. I feel the main problem is letting go. I am not the driver, and I am not the pilot. That is the main psychological problem I have. (I have no problems on a bus because it can pull over, but an airplane feels like pure faith in the machine!)

When I want to Rage Against the Machine! (Music joke)