Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 19 Oct 2014 15:12

What's more, officially, Hitler never renounced Christianity. So, right there, you have a Christian, and certainly a believer in the supernatural, responsible for the Holocaust. Not to mention the pact he had with the Holy See... :twisted:

The deal was: The Christian political party should disband and cease all negative propaganda of Nazism. In return, the Church was granted power over birth, education, marriage, and death. :shock:

Oh yeah! The Church should also supply Hitler with the names of Jewish people as well as Christians who were related to them. The pact between Hitler and the Vatican speaks for itself and this is how the Church is complicit. :o

And before anyone points out that Stalin was an atheist, which he was, let me revive my Hitchensian argument in order to refute that as an argument against atheism... :mrgreen:

Stalin did not subdue the masses in the name of atheism. Stalin did it in the name of his twisted Marxism and still allowed the Russian Orthodox Church to remain active and keep the people servile just like they were during the Czarist regime. (The Czar himself was considered to be a demigod.) 8-)

Stalin, who influenced Saddam Hussein (advocate of Sunni Islam and the socialism of the Ba'athist Party), by the way, was the "superman" of Russia, to be revered by everyone. He was always right (sarcasm) and knew what was best for his "children." So much so that they had to grovel to live. Pseudoscience was employed for his political ends and taught at schools for the purpose of brainwashing. Stalin even appointed Lysenko as director of the Institute of Genetics of the Soviet Union, who caused incalculable damage to Soviet agriculture. If you don't know Lysenko, guys, he was a second-rate plant breeder who opposed Darwinism, Mendelianism, and subscribed to the fallacious Lamarckism. :evil:

Like I said initially, we need Enlightenment and secularism. Saddam Hussein and Stalin are not examples of either, much less humanism! If the pious want to have any argument whatsoever against my proposition as a solution to effectively run a nation, they need to point me to a secular society that adopted the teachings of Lucretius, Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Paine, Spinoza, Jefferson, Voltaire - and many other enlightened figures of our time (Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, Dennett, Krauss) - and still fell into war, famine and death. They won't find one. The closest the religious will get, and these examples are still not quite there, are the European countries I mentioned previously which happen to have the lowest crime rate and the highest number of atheists (some progress as you can all see): Netherlands and Sweden. :ugeek:

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby buildit » 19 Oct 2014 17:50

Summerlander wrote:Cross-breeding humans can be an excellent idea. Why force a child to play an instrument when we could create one already inclined to do that, right? In fact, why not improve the mediocrity that nature has come up with (another argument against intelligent design right here)! Scientists can already see that, in principle, superhuman geniuses can be created. Imagine knowing enough about genetic engineering to the point of conceiving a person who excels at everything... :!:


Such a person is almost as feared by society as they are loved. We want to have the knowledge to make life as we see fit but lack the knowledge to know the moral implications a society of super humans could mean. Do average men become the new slaves to this super race? Will great ability breed even greater hubris? It is the great debate as to whether it's better for man to gain knowledge thru trials and tribulation or thru instant effect.
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby deschainXIX » 20 Oct 2014 00:05

Yeah, good job editing that post, nesgirl. You really came off as a total lunatic originally. I mean, you still come off as a lunatic, but less so than before you edited :D

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 20 Oct 2014 00:46

@buildit: If greater ability becomes the norm, there is no reason for greater hubris. We are merely setting the bar higher. As for morality, science can help us with that as it can identify our human values and enhance them. It can discover what is good for us before we even know it. I recommend "The Moral Landscape" by Sam Harris. It is a good read and you won't regret it. You will come away feeling more enlightened.

@nesgirl: Well, you can put all of that behind you. You don't have to trust people 100% but know that there are many sexuals out there that you can trust to be friendly and helpful.

@everyone: Anyone got any news on the Iraq-Syria conflict? Has ISIL penetrated Turkey? I haven't checked the news (just got back from work).

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby buildit » 20 Oct 2014 02:55

deschainXIX wrote:Yeah, good job editing that post, nesgirl. You really came off as a total lunatic originally. I mean, you still come off as a lunatic, but less so than before you edited :D


Easy on the criticisms There is no need for that, unless you want to prove all you can be a worse person?
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby buildit » 20 Oct 2014 02:59

nesgirl wrote:I am not thinking too straight right now, because I am having severe mood swing trouble right now. One thing about being FEMALE is that you will likely have that happen to you every few weeks (or if you take the pills, few months).


Maybe it's time to take a step back from the discussion. No reason to let an internet discussion get under your skin. ;)
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby buildit » 20 Oct 2014 04:00

nesgirl wrote:Sorry Buildit, but this time it is partially my fault.



My advice still remains the same ;)
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby buildit » 20 Oct 2014 04:52

nesgirl wrote:
buildit wrote:My advice still remains the same ;)


Well I am just going to say this. Females that have those hormonal mood swing episodes are sure going to keep the romantic guys away. Ugliness won't do it, and STDs won't do it. But boy, nothing spoils the mood like a hormonally imbalanced mood swing.
And I think if Katie Kaboom had any guys interested in her they probably sure went running after seeing her turning into a monster each time she had PMDD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImOBD00FFEo


You really don't know guys do you? :lol:
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 20 Oct 2014 14:25

Perhaps you haven't given them a chance to get to know you. And nobody, romantic or not, wants to be around mood swings anyway. If you go out with a guy after some time and he falls in love with you, then you can freely have all the mood swings you want. He'll put up with you because he loves you. But don't overdo it or you'll send him mental.

If he doesn't stick around then he was never truly romantic. Romantics fight for what they believe is worth having. And I'm afraid there are a lot of non-romantics out there giving romantics a bad name. Maybe you never truly met a romantic guy in your life, nesgirl!

On a different note, Americans have supplied the Syrian Kurds with weapons against ISIS besides backing them up with air strikes. Kurds still say more support is needed as they are outgunned. The U.S. worry about maintaining a good relationship with their Arab allies in the Gulf. Iran's mentality is as follows at the moment: We helped you in Afghanistan and you still consider us as part of the "axis of evil" so why should we help you in Iraq? Iranians also have economical interests in the southern part of Iraq.

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby deschainXIX » 20 Oct 2014 22:59

Well-written, Summerlander! I admire your persistence. I myself get rather discouraged when faced with such boldly dismaying displays of irrationality--it's something of a mental constitution I shamefully lack.
Here's a question: What do you (or anyone else following the thread) think about US involvement in various Middle Eastern affairs? Do you think there should be more, less, none at all? Total control?? I don't quite keep as devotedly up-to-date on current events as I should or as Summerlander does, so I honestly wouldn't know.
Well said.


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