Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 05 Nov 2014 14:36

Worldenterer1 wrote:
Summerlander wrote:Vladimir Putin is certainly a war criminal using KGB tactics to expand his empire. Russians have regressed to something like the Czarist regime.

Hey Summerlander, could you explain what makes you think this? Just curious, because I've heard a lot of people say that Putin is one of the last people trying to prevent the US and EU from having a complete monopoly over certain resources like oil or the petrodollar for example. Of course, the media lies, and everyone has their own opinion, so it's tricky to know if what I've heard is reliable or not. But I just try to gather as much info on a topic as I possibly can by asking as many people as I can. ;)


Hi and welcome to the debate, Worldenterer1! 8-)

Yes, the media can lie (which is why it is good to heed independent accounts or even essays written by journalists who have nothing to gain and can jeopardise their positions). But so can politicians - and more often! This is a new cold war and the Russian president is trying to destroy American hegemony via the world's banks. Surely he dreams about the economical fall of the United states of America and nostalgically craves for the old theocratic Russian empire where the head is a demigod. He is the new Tsar in the making. (Goes to church frequently.) He is the new Stalin, too. (He is portrayed as a spy superhero in games and cartoons.) He is not doing this for the good of the world. He is creating an Orwellian dystopia for his own glorification in history and be the world's greatest muscle. And Obama's mistakes abroad have only helped him.

President Vladimir Putin is an imperialist psychopath and cannot be trusted. I'm not kidding! I mean psychopath quite literally. Putin loves power, attention, suffering, intimidation, and has a complete disregard for human life. He has already been found to be responsible for thousands of deaths in his homeland, Ukraine and Georgia. Speaking of the latter, let's recall the South Ossetia war of the 90s, which brings the Georgian-Ossetian conflict to the forefront! It served only as part of a ploy for Russia to demonstrate how much these independent states are apparently incompetent and in need of mother Russia. That was very similar to what is happening in Ukraine today, where peace efforts and ceasefires are in vain and Russian control, internationally unrecognised, insidiously settles in.

Putin is an expert in espionage, false propaganda, intimidation, assassination and other forms of corruption. If I was to do a psychological assessment on first impressions, I'd say he resents the way he was brought up, in poverty among rats. As a teenager, his psychopathy already showed as he sought trouble at every opportunity in the streets of Leningrad. The KGB merely did a good job in turning a ruffian into a sophisticated, cold, and calculating psychopath. In his thirties, when he joined the Saint Petersburg Administration in heading the committee for external relations, he was investigated for corruption and the City Council recommended that he be fired. This didn't happened as the mayor was his former college professor and his right hand man. Before you know it, this monster is invited to the Kremlin to work for Boris Yeltsin, giving him the opportunity to influence government VIPs and climb the ladder of power.

Once Putin became Prime Minister, a series of shady explosions took place in Russia and many civilians were wounded or killed. Subsequently, Putin blamed terrorists from Chechnya, the land of minerals predominantly populated by Sunni Muslims. (Two birds with one stone if you see where this is going: an imperialist and economical move plus ensuring the preservation, strength, and gradual revival of Russian theocracy.) After this propaganda, Putin vowed to bring the chechnyans to justice, but here is the clincher: to this day no evidence has been produced to show that they were guilty of the atrocities. (Unlike 9/11!)

But the Kremlin looks suspiciously guilty... :twisted:

Vladimir Putin has been accused of systematically stifling and manipulating the media, not to mention rigging elections. He even banned certain documentaries regarding what took place in Riazan. After receiving a report of suspicious activity in the area, the police managed to foil the planned detonation of a bomb. Experts even confirmed the existence of explosives. The FSB then subsequently claimed the incident was only a civilian defence exercise and that sugar had been used. Cover-up much? Thank god we have investigative journalists like Pavel Voloshin of the Novaya Gazetta, who interviewed the specialist who confirmed the existence of Hexagen:

http://fas.org/irp/news/2000/03/000322-fsb1.htm

deschainXIX wrote:Wow, that was a truly expansive piece. You know a lot about political history! :) I totally agree with your conclusion, as well, by the way. I also agree about the criticisms of Ghandi--I think I read about them in "The End of Faith." Harris briefly highlighted them, to refute people who pointed to MLK and Ghandi as examples of religion having a glorious, progressive hand behind history as well as an ugly, regressive one.

Hillary Clinton has ran for presidency before. No one stopped her from running. She had no setbacks that the other candidates didn’t have. Of course, there were those fundy Christians who probably abhorred the idea of a woman leading the country--but that’s what I’ve been saying. Most of the gender inequality still around is practiced and purported by religious freaks.


Thanks, deschainXIX. I guess I really wanted to understand those times and why people around me at the time were saying what they were saying. And good point about Hillary Clinton. She would probably do a better job than Obama regarding ISIS but she is still not perfect.

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I think it is terrible that guys can only respect females who are slim, which is why so many females die from anorexia. Personally I don't see the point about guys with big muscles, they don't seem any different from any of the others. Recall that I am aromantic, so I don't notice or feel anything for anyone, although I try to behave civilized in public. While I do try to behave civilized with the opposite gender, there are some of them that will behave like idiots in front of me, and that irritates the heck out of me. I also harshly reject date requests.


Double standards. What do you think about 20-year-old Maddy Coz tweeting the following about David Beckham's 10-year-old son: "Romeo Beckham, you're like ten and so hot!" and then people slating paedophile-hunter Stinson Hunter for suggesting that she was inapproprite?

Hunter's argument urged people to imagine that a man was saying that to a 10-year-old girl. He merely reversed the roles and asked if people would be as justificative of the hypothetical male poster. I think Coz could have said something like, "Romeo, you're a handsome boy, you must take after your father and will be a ladies' man when you're older." This would be appropriate. But people seem to think that only male paedophiles exist. Imagine the uproar or the suspicion that would arise if a heterosexual man merely tweeted the following about a prepubescent girl: "You are so pretty, you'll definately be a fox when you're older..."
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 05 Nov 2014 20:53

I'm not disputing your intuition about the intentions of certain men that you come across. I wouldn't even deny the fact that a lot of men are weak, pathetic, inappropriate, and often ill-equipped for women. 8-)

But you have not answered to the veridical instance of ostensibly venial inequality I've just mentioned which clearly bestows a repose to women that men would not get in that same situation. In fact, men know not to go there if they know what's good for them.

A special kind of insouciance is required from Maddy Coz for her to tweet that, something that all men cannot afford and the fear of witch-hunts should equally be on the minds of paedophiles. This fear was not present in Coz at the time. I hope this is clear... :idea:
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Worldenterer1 » 05 Nov 2014 20:54

@Summerlander

Wow, that's quite a lot of information. I've got to second nesgirl in saying that you have an admirable knowledge of political history. Thanks for sharing that!
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 05 Nov 2014 21:02

Thanks, Worldenterer1. I think it was deschainXIX who said that. Curiosity bestowed the cat another life in my case I suppose... 8-)
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Worldenterer1 » 05 Nov 2014 21:10

Summerlander wrote:Thanks, Worldenterer1. I think it was deschainXIX who said that. Curiosity bestowed the cat another life in my case I suppose... 8-)

Ah yes, that was deschain.
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby deschainXIX » 05 Nov 2014 22:06

@nesgirl

Modern feminism annoys me to no end. Most of its "tenets" and claims can be refuted simply by turning the table around. Switching the roles of males and females in any situation.

People constantly complain that women are looked-down up or objectified or viewed as useless or whatever it is they're complaining about in the particular moment.
Fine. But men are incessantly told they lack empathy and sympathy, are stupid/illiterate, ugly, disgusting, sloppy, misunderstanding, violent, et cetera. Most of all, men are told to be utterly and omnipresently ashamed of their sexuality, while women are encouraged to explore there's. In fact, in response to the recent Marysville Shooting tragedy, Anita fucking Sarkeesian (whose twitter account “Feminist Frequency” is promoted by Twitter) tweeted that masculinity is the invisible hand behind all the seemingly ever-present shootings we have here in America and is in fact the root of most violence. Suppose some man as equally popular as Sarkeesian said that the hyper-emotionalism characteristic of females is the root of all depression and suicide. Well, we would have a vicious case of mediaitis on our hands (outraged inflammation of the media).
Obviously both statements are extremely ignorant and outrageous--but the point is that people unquestioningly accepted the first one. Simply because Sarkeesian is a feminist woman. And feminism is good! It's politically correct! It's modern!

These is a good video on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Nw3zyYpvs
Well said.

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby deschainXIX » 05 Nov 2014 22:57

You tend to think very egocentrically, nesgirl. If you had noticed, I was actually making commentary on modern society being poisoned by feminazism. Feminism served its purpose in developing human civil discourse, but now it is a wholly antiquated school of “ideas” fueled by reaction and irrational, myopic feelings.
I was not, however, criticizing you personally. Stop taking things personally. I was simply enlightening you, since evidently you are a feminist in addition to an asexual and you don’t seem to know about the stupidity of modern feminism. I respect your asexuality to the fullest extent (although not its political implications), but I do not your feminism.

I appreciate you ceded me the point about Sarkeesian. Good; you’re thinking.
But you’re still being a feminazi by saying that guys are inherently evil for being responsible for your asexual discomfort. Again, more one-sided double standards. Am I to assume that were you to be a very attractive asexual male, you wouldn’t get problems from girls trying to hit on you? Try to think beyond your own personal experience, nesgirl.

(Another little thing you mentioned that I’d like to address, because it is outright libel. Why would I think handicapped persons are incapable of experiencing emotions? Moreover, why would I criticize you for sharing gossip some person told about you in high school? Not only is all of this totally incorrect, but it came out of nowhere.)
Well said.

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby deschainXIX » 07 Nov 2014 00:51

nesgirl wrote:Okay but I still believe that both genders need to be treated equally, and am going to pursue that as much as possible.


I agree.

nesgirl wrote:I hardly hear of asexual guys complaining that females are hitting on them. While I will admit some females are guilty of that, that doesn't happen nearly as often on the other side of the coin.


Perhaps.

nesgirl wrote:Actually this is more aimed at the crazed romantic guys, not guys in general, in case that wasn't obvious (and yes I feel the exact same way about crazed romantic females). I don't believe all guys are like this, and the ones who aren't too focused on that obviously are very easy to get along with and communicate with. Recall I said before that if there was more aromance in this world it society a much friendlier place and everyone would get along a lot better.
And as for discomfort, there is anti-romantic discomfort as well, and both genders are equally responsible for that, specifically many religions make me very uncomfortable with that, saying I am going to hades because I refuse to date and refuse to get married. And they say that aromance is evil


I, too, hold a general discomfort with romance. The difference between us, I think, is that I recognize this disposition to be a psychological defect--perhaps even a pathology--and I strive to purge myself of it.

nesgirl wrote:Actually that is how it works in nature. More often in nature with most animals, the females are usually very picky and selective, and the guys usually have to make a huge effort to try to win over a female. Sometimes it's to the point where they are even killing each other. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L54bxmZy_NE "Oh dear her departure says it all!" LOL!!


Very true. But in nature there's also indiscriminate murder, rape, theft, you name it. Nature is the grounds on which we can explain why crime naturally occurs and humans are instinctively drawn to do certain things. But I like to think that we homo sapiens have evolved extensively enough to sort of transcend our basic primal natures and rise to something higher.

nesgirl wrote:Let me remind you that you 2 got way to hypercritical of me when I posted my EEG Lucid Dream before. I no longer feel comfortable posting anything anymore because you made it sound like I was completely dishonest about having that Lucid Dream (it's bad enough that my brother says that because he doesn't even believe in Lucid Dreams and if I say anything he says I am being a bad example on his children) . I no longer feel comfortable about posting some of my Lucid Dreams because of it. I've had a literal history from that, and gotten into trouble for talking about some of my Lucid Dreams in the past, and now I have to literally keep them a huge secret in order to keep myself from getting into trouble or banned. It is just like history for me to get into trouble or get kicked out of clubs just for talking about or over a Lucid Dream.


By all means, share whatever you like. I don't believe in censorship of any kind. As I've stated before, I will never criticize you for saying something--instead, I'll criticize what you said.
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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 08 Nov 2014 01:43

I don't believe in censorship of any kind either. Apparently there are social networking sites that permit Muslim women to get in touch with ISIS members in Raqqa (capital of the internationally unrecognised Islamic State Caliphate) who are looking for jihadist brides. Sites like ask.fm facilitate this exchange and matchmaking.

The women often ask them for help to leave the land of kufar (unbelievers) and then travel to Syria. They evince how much they hate kufar on those sites and are then asked to make different accounts for direct messaging. Do I think these sites need security? Sure. Do I think they should be blocked? No. It wouldn't tackling the problem anyway. The problem is Islam, the ideology that attracts them to ISIS, and what they hear (or don't hear) in mosques.

But the anti-extremist group, the Quilliam Foundation, seem to think the Internet is "the new frontline of the crisis." Now the technology that everybody else uses, like PCs, Macs, laptops and smartphone apps are to blame. What a load of tosh. It is being claimed that women from the West are attracted to the promise by ISIS to offer them the best education in Mosul university in Iraq. Several school girls from the UK have already travelled to join the mujahideen whom they believe to be "the true warriors of Allah." Where is the concept of jihad coming from in the first place? It is certainly not the Internet...

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Re: Religion and Politics: Iraqi Crisis

Postby Summerlander » 10 Nov 2014 02:44

We are primate mammals. We primarily evolved to argue and continue to argue even when we know we're wrong. This is compatible with self-preservation. Reason comes later - a product emerging parallel with our increasing ability to make predictions about the future based on understanding the present world that surrounds us. We are still animals with strong instincts, patterns of behaviour, and it shows!

By the way! Good news! A very bad primate mammal was critically wounded by not-so-bad (or not as bad) primates. The Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was attacked by American warplanes according to the TV channel Al Hadath. Prominent IS members were meeting in the town of al-Qaim when bombs fell on them. So far eight have been confirmed dead as a result. A hospital was overwhelmed with patients and one of them was al-Baghdadi himself.:-D

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