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Summerlander
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Re: A Temporal Friend

Postby Summerlander » 03 Dec 2014 00:22

I honestly didn't intend that last line to "sound" the way it did. I think anything I say from now on will seem fishy. :-D

But I do agree that it's very unlikely we are dealing with a real time traveller. My intuition is that this is a John Titor copycat. :-P

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Re: A Temporal Friend

Postby deschainXIX » 03 Dec 2014 00:28

If I wanted to, I could methodically cite and lay out all the reasons Summerlander is a prime suspect. But he denies it, and I would feel bad doing it because it's a harmless thread that we were all having fun with (I primarily enjoyed trying to figure out what was going on). It wouldn't really prove anything, either. Like in the Zodiac Killer case, everyone had their favorite suspect (and it was mostly centered on one suspect), but there was no tangible evidence that could hold up in a court of law, so the case is a mystery...

But, yeah, I see no real reason to think this person is a real time traveller. It simply makes no sense--unless Enra has been on-duty so long she's going mad and beginning to break protocol by spilling the beans in obscure lucid dreaming forums. :) And is that very likely?

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Re: A Temporal Friend

Postby HAGART » 03 Dec 2014 00:30

I edited my last post, so I'm just letting others online at the same time know that, so they read it again.
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Re: A Temporal Friend

Postby Summerlander » 03 Dec 2014 00:37

Indeed there is no proof of anything, guys. But if you feel like listing the reasons why you think I'm behind this, it won't bother me. I don't know about Enra, though.

On a serious note, and pardon me for saying this, Enra, but I do think you're unhinged. I could be wrong, of course. Please don't take offence but I'm with my friends here. I don't think time travel is even possible. But what do I know? I'm only an armchair physicist. :-|

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Re: A Temporal Friend

Postby deschainXIX » 03 Dec 2014 01:34

I mean, even if we grant time travel as possible (which I thought incorrect, simply because it's so problematic an idea, until I watched Christopher Nolan's "Interstellar," which bent my mind out of recognizable shape), this doesn't follow. Nonetheless, I've been riveted by each of Traz's posts--somewhat because of the Summerlander Theory--and I look forward to what else she has to say. :D
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Re: A Temporal Friend

Postby HAGART » 03 Dec 2014 01:36

This is a great exercise. This tests people on whether they should accuse Summerlander without proof and burn him like a witch or just wait and listen. This is actually a very revealing sociological experiment.

I already stated what I believe, and I have no proof, but that is my gut feeling, and if anyone knows true crime dramas like Beverly Hills Cop, Police Academy, and Assy McGee they know that police instincts are never wrong. (If you look at actual news.... well, let's not go there.)

This thread got very active in the past few hours and I felt as excited as I get when I realize I was in a dream and tell everyone I am right. I stand by what I believe, and I know it won't offend Summerlander or Enra Traz, if I am wrong. I can't wait to see what happens.

If it does turn out we were all duped, take it to heart and think about it. Question how easy it is. I was duped. But not anymore. Of course I could be wrong.... but I must take a stand on my belief and I hold fast to it. I feel like this was some sort of a Jedi Mind Trick and I passed. If not, so what? Enra get's upset? Boo Hoo!
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Re: A Temporal Friend

Postby deschainXIX » 03 Dec 2014 01:42

Nesgirl, Summerlander did a check on that president Traz talked about (Warren or something like that--I don't remember the name and don't feel like checking). She is, in fact, scheduled to run for office. But this is information Summerlander could have gleaned to use as weak proof--especially since he's the one to come forward and nod his head in confirmation of what Traz said! :o

HAGART, I'm taking a class in Forensic Science at the moment, and currently we're in a unit concerning document and handwriting analysis. This line of thinking being in the forefront of my mind certainly came in handy here! Or it only proves that I was LOOKING for similarities between the rhetorical styles and such and so that's what I found. I've always had a deductive, observational mind like this, though. I don't know. Again, there's no proof whatsoever. But I could type up an essay full of all the evidences supporting my theory.
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Re: A Temporal Friend

Postby HAGART » 03 Dec 2014 02:02

I could type an essay too. The number of circumstances and criminal giveaways are too innumerous to comprehend, and yet, my subconscious mind can deal with it and tells me, intuitively, that I am right.

But that's why we need a jury. One person's belief cannot be the gospel for everyone.

This charade, if it is one, can still go on. This is like Law and Order. The case is solved and a criminal has been accused, but it's only half the show. ;)

deschainXIX wrote:I'm taking a class in Forensic Science at the moment, and currently we're in a unit concerning document and handwriting analysis. This line of thinking being in the forefront of my mind certainly came in handy here! Or it only proves that I was LOOKING for similarities between the rhetorical styles and such and so that's what I found. I've always had a deductive, observational mind like this, though.


Kudos to you! I wasn't even examining it under a Sherlock Holmes lens the way you were. Yet, Kudos to me, for picking it up so fast. I've been fooled before and use to be gullible. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I still have no idea and no proof, but like I said, I can confidently state what I believe because I know Enra won't be offended. I wish I could do that with everyone, and don't we all? Big lies in society we wish others would listen to.... Again, too innumerous to list.
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Postby HAGART » 03 Dec 2014 02:47

I don't listen to facts much but listen to people and intent. Listening to people and understanding human nature, and a person's psyche and their motives is my approach as a sleuth. I'm not a forensic scientist, but this has revealed that I am a psychoanalyst at heart. If Enra truly was from the future, and admittedly, is creating a new timeline, there is no future to go back to. Why bother with your mission? How do they even fund it? Working at McDonald's? If there are still humans 200 hundred years or so from now, I suspect they are a lot like me and would do the same thing: Forget protocol and just live it up, baby! They would part-ey!

I didn't have to read the space-time-matrix-mumbo-jumbo.

But if we did want to discuss time travel, yes you can slow down time if you travel closer to the speed of light and yes an orbit around a black hole is the best way to do so, but it's only in the future. Never in the past.

I have a few mind blowing thought experiments that disprove backward time travel as, I think DeschainXIX, already has said, because if it were possible, we either would not exist, or our existence would not be what it is right now. Think about it.
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Re: A Temporal Friend

Postby deschainXIX » 03 Dec 2014 03:37

Yes, very good points, HAGART. But technically we would never know if someone was influencing the past. How can I explain this ... ?

Say on your 10th birthday, you went to Seattle, Washington. If someone were to travel back in time to your 10th birthday and take you to Disneyland instead, the memory of going to Seattle would dissipate and your mind would be entirely different--logged instead with the memory of only ever going to Disneyland. Going to Seattle wouldn't exist. If the past (and our memory, and our lives/existences) is constantly in flux as a result of artificial tampering, we would never know. Our minds would constantly be warped out of shape, and we would never know it. All we can know that exists is THIS CURRENT branch of existence. Maybe two seconds ago you were a Hollywood star, until a time traveler stepped out of his temporal pod and breathed in the air in 1836, forever altering the movement of air molecules in the planet's atmosphere. Of course, I'm only conjecturing here. This is only how I suppose it would work, according to the way time travel seems to function in fiction (which is most definitely inaccurate).
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