Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby DesertExplorer » 20 Jan 2015 15:02

Well, here we go again!

I'd like to know what exactly is a dream. Because, someone said in a previous post that the dreams are scientifically proved while astral projection is not. If you are the one and reading this, please inform me and the people about this proof (a link would be much appreciated). :) If you are someone who jumped across this accidentally and know anything about it, please do the same.

I personally didn't find anything that proves dreams as a fact. The only reason it is called fact is because anyone have experienced it at least once in their lives and because of that we accept it as one. Now, Astral Projection is something that you need to intend to do, because it does not happen so easily (of course there are some persons who do it without trying). Now, you see why dream is a "fact" and AP is not.
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby DesertExplorer » 20 Jan 2015 15:09

And yes, I do believe that there is a difference between LD and AP.
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Summerlander » 20 Jan 2015 17:25

So do I. An interpretive difference. ;-)

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Peter » 20 Jan 2015 18:44

What is astral projection, I dont know the difference between a LD and an Astral projection so please help me as my experience tells me they are the same.



Now, Astral Projection is something that you need to intend to do


so you cant spontaneously astral project, how did the first person do it then
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby DesertExplorer » 20 Jan 2015 21:20

Peter, you missed the part where I said "(of course there are some persons who do it without trying)".
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Summerlander » 20 Jan 2015 22:38

If you concede that some people astral project without trying, Desert, then you make the admission that intention isn't necessarily required for its induction. Your own observation in response to Peter's perfectly logical question makes your initial proposition oxymoronic and untenable as advice for people who wish to discover the phenomenon.

LaBerge once made an important distinction. In so many words, he pointed out that lucid dreaming is more advanced than astral projection or out-of-body experiences by the sheer fact that lucid dreamers know the score for sure, i.e. they know they are dreaming.

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby hectorjose » 20 Jan 2015 23:53

I have lucid dreamt hundreds of times, have astral projected only once. In astral projection, you are out of your body and in the room where your physical body is. You are literally floating above your body. I could not move very far from it however and felt like there was some sort of elastic feeling keeping me close to my physical. After I had been out for what felt like hours and hours, I consciously made a decision to merge back into my physical, at which point I floated down, and merged. I have only been able to achieve it once and even then, I seem constrained to how far I could move (which was not very far). The things I remember most about the experience was I felt like I was vertical even though it appeared I was horizontal, I felt like I had arms and legs that were floating by my side, I felt like I did not have a real grasp on the sense of time. When I merged back into my physical, I heard a loud continous sound in my ears that sounded like waves crashing on a beach, that got lighter, and lighter, and eventually disappeared. I have been trying to do this again for the past 15 years and have not been able to.

Lucid dreaming on the other hand, I get frequently and you are waking up in a dream world, not in your actual room close to your physical body. In lucid dreaming you also have a replica physical body but in astral projection, i felt my replica body was made of light, and it was not physical.

That is my experience to answer your initial question.
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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby deschainXIX » 21 Jan 2015 00:32

I'm under the impression that astral projection is simply a dream in which one is aware of a tangible, temporal plane existing "beneath" oneself (and the mind projects a pseudo-realistic replication of the actual world), but one is not aware that one is dreaming--the observer seems to be under the impression that he or she is traversing some sort of astral plane. If there is a further criterion important for distinguishing this particular chunk of hypnagogic spasm from the others, I'm open to hearing it.

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Summerlander » 21 Jan 2015 01:43

So am I, deschainXIX. I concur. What is the difference between the two if not a cognitive one - when we observe that the brain exhibits a hybrid phase state in both? In both, you know that you are physically lying in bed (or rested somewhere) while your mind wanders and you have the impression of being somewhere else. (In this sense, in terms of perception, both are out-of-body experiences.)

But, to lucid dream is to acknowledge the hallucinatory nature of the perceived environment - to know that, despite the realism (or hyper-realism), it is all an illusion arising in one's mind.

The astral projector ignores this truth as brain activity means nothing to him and revelry is found in the belief-centric delusion that the dream world, when perceived with waking consciousness, is an astral plane of existence populated by discarnate beings with a mind of their own.

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Re: Difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming?

Postby Peter » 21 Jan 2015 03:00

I have lucid dreamt hundreds of times, have astral projected only once. In astral projection, you are out of your body and in the room where your physical body is


and I have Lucid dreamt thousands of times and by you definition astral projected only many hundreds of times and can switch at will. I can choose one or the other and will do so depending on where I want to start my adventure, in a place I know (my room) of at random for the sheer fun of it.
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