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Re: When you go to sleep, where do you really GO?

Postby deschainXIX » 23 Jan 2015 00:23

Derpybunneh wrote:How do you know there is no next life?


How do you know there is an afterlife? Because that's what you've believed all your life?

I hear a chorus of "You can't do that!"s. But consider this. If I make the claim that the boogeyman exists, it would be rational of you to ask me, "How do you know the boogeyman exists?" And (using your own argumentative logic) I would promptly reply, "How do you know he doesn't exist?"

This fallacious problem is summarized in the following axiomatic statement:

The onus lies upon the believer--not the skeptic--to evidence his claims.



Humans are mortal. They are collections of frail, organic tissue and liquid that visibly deteriorates and has a limited metabolism and dies. They are kind of like fruiting bodies for the extenuation of life, that strange and adaptive matter procreated ultimately by supernovae. From what we know about the universe and biology and neurology, there is no reason to believe in an afterlife. There is nothing sublime or divine about the homo sapien and anyone who solipsistically and anthropocentrically makes such a claim has a lot of explaining ahead of them. And yet no one can explain it. It's merely a "feel-good" sentiment to comfort people. However, as any Buddhist (or lucid dreamer or meditator) will tell you, nonexistence is true bliss. So really the disposition of the realist is the most comfortable--not that this matters, of course. :D



We really are giving this thread far too much attention. This is an ugly little advertising thread made by an ugly, sad little person. I certainly don't want to strike up another debate. I just wanted to lay my cards on the table in response to DerpyBunneh and didn't realize how long I had made this post. :|
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Re: When you go to sleep, where do you really GO?

Postby DesertExplorer » 23 Jan 2015 00:42

Would a Buddhist tell you something like it? I really doubt it.

Have you talked with one in person and told you? Because what you do is positioning a lucid dreamer in the same state with a Buddhist and that is what dragged my attention.
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Re: When you go to sleep, where do you really GO?

Postby deschainXIX » 23 Jan 2015 00:50

You're probably right about that. Certainly Buddhism and lucid dreaming shouldn't be pigeon-holed together. However, I'm referring, of course, to Buddhism's secular applications. If I am not incorrect, lucid dreaming was first practiced by Tibetan dream yogis. I was also alluding to nirvana--oblivion and transcending the endless recycling in reincarnation.

This is an insignificant detail and really has nothing to do with my argument. Don't really understand your point, unless you're being captious again. :D
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Re: When you go to sleep, where do you really GO?

Postby HAGART » 23 Jan 2015 01:15

I reported the first post and described how it's just an advertisement and they only wrote two identical posts within minutes of the same day and left. It should be removed eventually, then nesgirl can be first poster, and change the name of the thread if she wants. At least this way the AD doesn't keep getting the attention it doesn't deserve.

On the down side, now I ruined the punchline of my joke earlier about the title and others won't get it! Ah well! Carry on debating and have fun! 8-)
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Re: When you go to sleep, where do you really GO?

Postby DesertExplorer » 23 Jan 2015 01:50

deschainXIX wrote:You're probably right about that. Certainly Buddhism and lucid dreaming shouldn't be pigeon-holed together. However, I'm referring, of course, to Buddhism's secular applications. If I am not incorrect, lucid dreaming was first practiced by Tibetan dream yogis. I was also alluding to nirvana--oblivion and transcending the endless recycling in reincarnation.

This is an insignificant detail and really has nothing to do with my argument. Don't really understand your point, unless you're being captious again. :D

No, I am not.

Is that your dog?
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Re: When you go to sleep, where do you really GO?

Postby deschainXIX » 23 Jan 2015 01:58

Yes! :)
(Or, if you prefer, that's a legitimate avatar of myself--it's sort of an inside joke that I'm a sentient canine.)

The sheltie in that photo just gave birth to a litter of puppies, incidentally (my family breeds shetland sheepdogs as well as a few other animals). They're very sweet.

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Re: When you go to sleep, where do you really GO?

Postby DesertExplorer » 23 Jan 2015 02:13

deschainXIX wrote:Yes! :)
(Or, if you prefer, that's a legitimate avatar of myself--it's sort of an inside joke that I'm a sentient canine.)

The sheltie in that photo just gave birth to a litter of puppies, incidentally (my family breeds shetland sheepdogs as well as a few other animals). They're very sweet.

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I like your dog. So peaceful..
What's it's name?
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Re: When you go to sleep, where do you really GO?

Postby DesertExplorer » 23 Jan 2015 02:16

nesgirl, could you name it Bad Influence?
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Re: When you go to sleep, where do you really GO?

Postby deschainXIX » 23 Jan 2015 02:23

I would teach Derpy (whose username is comically apropos at times) about evolution over there, but I have the intuition that they would not listen.

For the title of this thread, how about "Aimless, Largely Trivial Ramblings"?

DesertExplorer, her name is Callie. She is probably one of my better friends in the world. :lol: I think it's not totally inaccurate to assume that the tranquility and sweetness of my avatar doesn't quite match up with my perceived personality, which is marked by brusqueness and precision.

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Re: When you go to sleep, where do you really GO?

Postby HAGART » 23 Jan 2015 02:24

I kept my joke clean with only urine and forgot about #2! It could have been a dirty joke! ;)
I didn't reply in the other thread but I would love to sit back and listen to Durbybunneh's theories that challenge natural selection. I'll sit back with some popcorn and 3D glasses, and I liked your joke too.
Evolution is just a theory though and I'm open minded, but you know what? So is gravity! Believe it or not, nobody can truly explain why it exists and there are competing theories. But it's still obvious it exists, like it or not. I'm on the Evolution Bandwagon right now and it's because I seriously thought about it and agree with it. If Derpy can change my mind, I'm open to it.

As for the new title... I don't know.
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