Is there an afterlife?

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby DesertExplorer » 23 Feb 2015 12:50

I believe there is, yes.
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Philosopher8659 » 23 Feb 2015 13:31

Have you ever noticed an identity between faith, as defined in the Judeo-Christian scripture which is opposed to interpreted usage, and the meaning of mind that one finds in the puzzle of the name of the beast, which is opposed to much of scientific claim?

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

and,

"To regulate behavior so as to turn the past into the future and to bring the future to pass."

and that both of these are based on objective reality? Which would, in my estimation, make belief something which is not based in mysticism.

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Summerlander » 23 Feb 2015 17:21

Faith is blind and irrational. It is only evidence that people like to delude themselves and revel in wishful thinking. Faith is believing without evidence and this is why it is irrational. It stands in the way of human progress and encourages us to abandon our working minds.

Faith is not a virtue, it is a snag and a blindfold which encourages infantile behaviour. It shouldn't be mistaken for hope either. Faith alludes to belief and blind certainty. Hope is simply wishing when one is helpless but having the awareness that the unwanted outcome is very much a possibility.

Anyone who says faith is some sort of evidence for the unseen is either a fool or a lost soul brainwashed long ago. :-D

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Philosopher8659 » 23 Feb 2015 17:58

Summerlander wrote:Faith is blind and irrational. It is only evidence that people like to delude themselves and revel in wishful thinking. Faith is believing without evidence and this is why it is irrational. It stands in the way of human progress and encourages us to abandon our working minds.

Faith is not a virtue, it is a snag and a blindfold which encourages infantile behaviour. It shouldn't be mistaken for hope either. Faith alludes to belief and blind certainty. Hope is simply wishing when one is helpless but having the awareness that the unwanted outcome is very much a possibility.

Anyone who says faith is some sort of evidence for the unseen is either a fool or a lost soul brainwashed long ago. :-D

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Are there sentence comprehension courses by Mel Bay, too?

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby DesertExplorer » 23 Feb 2015 18:19

Faith is not evidence for sure. Just pure creation..
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Philosopher8659 » 23 Feb 2015 18:22

DesertExplorer wrote:Faith is not evidence for sure. Just pure creation..

Do not argue with me, try and erase the definition from the Book itself.

Hebrews 11.1

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby DesertExplorer » 23 Feb 2015 18:38

Philosopher8659 wrote:
DesertExplorer wrote:Faith is not evidence for sure. Just pure creation..

Do not argue with me, try and erase the definition from the Book itself.

Hebrews 11.1

I tried but I couldn't.

hehe.. I was not talking to you philosopher.
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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby deschainXIX » 23 Feb 2015 18:49

Ah, so you're one of those strange people who think that citing such an apochryphal and translucently primitive and self-contradictory text as the Bible (or "The Book" :lol:) is legitimate evidence. Shame. I expected a little more than that.

DesertExplorer, so you recognize faith as a concession of irrationality and spontaneity? Do you know that all monotheistic doctrines purport deities that ask for your blind faith? Why would you lend your faith to one and not the other? Why not Allah? His subjects are just as pious and faithfully convinced as any other...

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby Philosopher8659 » 23 Feb 2015 18:54

Well, if you had studied any of my work, you just might see the contradiction is not in the text, it is in your ability to use language.

And, yes, when citing a source, I tend to take the matter from the source instead of mythology about the source.

I did say, by textual definition.

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Re: Is there an afterlife?

Postby DesertExplorer » 23 Feb 2015 19:27

I still wonder why some guys cannot keep a balance between faith and logic. No, you just have to contradict to something. Well, do as you wish.

But one more thing; why is faith blind every time in your opinion? Your experiences may have traumatized you in some way. Well, there is no other explanation. You are only aware of one part of the image.

And please, tell me why you take it so far. Allah?? Are you kidding me? Who talked about that? Faith can be as much useful as logic in many ways. The combination of the two can be impressive in my opinion, which you lack as it seems.
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