Lucid Dreaming and Religion

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RedKryptonite
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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 17 Aug 2017 06:39

LoneDreamer wrote:About heaven, I did say that I can do anything in it right? ;)


Actually,there is one idea that I could think of that could make eternal life forever enjoyable and sustainable. Look at the effects of certain dangerous/illegal drugs. Lets use Heroin as an example. Now,I've never done heroin before in my life,I've only done Mary Jane(loved it..but sadly can't do more of it. Because of the place I live,and because it hurts dream recall which is crucial for lucid dreaming) and I did get to try Meth 3 times(didn't really like it) But from the stories I've read of people who have actually done the drug,they literally describe it as the best euphoria you could ever feel,to the point where you can do nothing all day and not get bored. If this is accurate,then heaven must be you being forever high on heroin or whatever drug that achieves that same kind of high for you minus all the downsides of dangerous drug use. I imagine (again,I've yet to use heroin)you could literally never get bored of the feeling and you can spend the rest of your immortality in eternal bliss.

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby LoneDreamer » 17 Aug 2017 12:29

Hmmm! :geek: :ugeek: Your idea seems good. A god on drugs controlling universe. Pretty cool. But can't say the same things for the my devotees. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Also what the heck is Mary Jane?

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 17 Aug 2017 13:15

LoneDreamer wrote:Hmmm! :geek: :ugeek: Your idea seems good. A god on drugs controlling universe. Pretty cool. But can't say the same things for the my devotees. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Also what the heck is Mary Jane?

Mary Jane is just another word/slang for Marijuana ;)

Actually,this discussion gave me an idea. After trying out the Mcdonalds idea for my next lucid dream,maybe I'll try smoking a joint in my LD. I've read some anecdotes from people who've successfully replicated the effect in an LD. Hopefully its true,I miss the taste of a good ol joint :cry:

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby LoneDreamer » 17 Aug 2017 15:51

So, it's ganja. Is it legal in your country?, In my country it's illegal. I must say that I have seen illegal drug circles. One of the guys in my class uses it. Maybe if I ask him I may get a free sample. But it's far too expensive for me. Also, doesn't it cause addiction?

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 17 Aug 2017 22:19

LoneDreamer wrote:So, it's ganja. Is it legal in your country?, In my country it's illegal. I must say that I have seen illegal drug circles. One of the guys in my class uses it. Maybe if I ask him I may get a free sample. But it's far too expensive for me. Also, doesn't it cause addiction?

Unfortunately,where I live it isn't just illegal,but you run the risk of being killed by a certain crazy pres(and his assassins)who thinks mass murder is the solution to the war on drugs. :roll:

In the past(before I discovered lucid dreaming),I used to have myself a good time weekly. it was illegal,but I never got caught :twisted: Thankfully my father knew that ganja isn't really harmful,it even has health benefits and thus permitted my use(though other drugs were off limits,though I did manage to try out meth. he never caught me,but I did eventually tell him about my experience since I never got addicted to it). However,once a certain someone became pres,we had to stop usage because it was simply too risky. Thankfully however,in that span of time,I learned of lucid dreaming and thus became a suitable replacement hobby for the mean time.

Honestly,all you have to do is look at the countries where drugs have been decriminalized to see that their drug related deaths,crimes,and fatalities,and even drug users themselves are significantly reduced. I'm a firm believer that most drugs should be decriminalized (or even legalization,but with safety rules and limits in place of course).
Seriously,Alcohol is far more dangerous and has caused far more deaths,fatalities,crimes and unnecessary violence than ganja(and even many of the so called illegal drugs)ever could. cigarettes are far more harmful to your health(and not to mention,the environment)than mary jane and yet that too is legal. :roll:

I eventually plan to leave my country and live somewhere else(like the Netherlands,but we are still debating)and thankfully my mom and other family members are helping me with that. Despite my earlier statement regarding our conflict of beliefs,she is a nice/kind person overall and I love her for that :D

As for your question about the bud being addictive...not really,the addiction potential is very low. I stopped when getting my hands on it got too dangerous. Some people have addictive personalities that could get psychologically addicted to weed,but most of those people are prone to getting addicted to anything anyway.

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby Summerlander » 18 Aug 2017 01:42

The war on drugs is an absolutele failure and a waste of resources. Alcohol is far more dangerous than cannabis. Where I come from, eversince drugs were decriminalised, the crime rate went down. (Things only remained messy with heroine.) You may guess which European country that, like Holland, took steps to be exemplary regarding drugs ...

People shouldn't have to be punished if they want to experiment with---or recreationally take---mind-altering substances. Drugs can be used moderately and wisely without any serious repercussions. And those who end up abusing them need rehabilitation---not incarceration.

People need to inform themselves about drugs and the risks involved just like tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutics. This is the kind of courtesy that every government should extend to their people in order to send a clear and reasonable message: 'We trust you to be responsible and if you fuck up, we are here to help.' I'm with you on this one, RedKryptonite. Well said. 8-)
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 18 Aug 2017 02:16

Summerlander wrote:The war on drugs is an absolutele failure and a waste of resources. Alcohol is far more dangerous than cannabis. Where I come from, eversince drugs were decriminalised, the crime rate went down. (Things only remained messy with heroine.) You may guess which European country that, like Holland, took steps to be exemplary regarding drugs ...

People shouldn't have to be punished if they want to experiment with---or recreationally take---mind-altering substances. Drugs can be used moderately and wisely without any serious repercussions. And those who end up abusing them need rehabilitation---not incarceration.

People need to inform themselves about drugs and the risks involved just like tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutics. This is the kind of courtesy that every government should extend to their people in order to send a clear and reasonable message: 'We trust you to be responsible and if you fuck up, we are here to help.' I'm with you on this one, RedKryptonite. Well said. 8-)

Hi Summerlander,
Words cannot describe how much I agree with you. Hopefully I successfully get my Visa soon. I'd definitely love to visit those places. (if not live there one day).

There is something I'd like to ask. Have you ever tried DMT? I've heard its a drug that could give a human the most powerful psychedelic experience they could ever experience,to the point it could very well change them forever. Its definitely in my "to-do before I die" list.

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby LoneDreamer » 18 Aug 2017 02:47

RedKryptonite wrote:As for your question about the bud being addictive...not really,the addiction potential is very low. I stopped when getting my hands on it got too dangerous. Some people have addictive personalities that could get psychologically addicted to weed,but most of those people are prone to getting addicted to anything anyway.

Are you serious? :shock: I must say in most of the counselling classes in my school most of us have been told that ganja is at least 20 times more addictive than nicotine/cigarette.

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 18 Aug 2017 06:18

LoneDreamer wrote:
RedKryptonite wrote:As for your question about the bud being addictive...not really,the addiction potential is very low. I stopped when getting my hands on it got too dangerous. Some people have addictive personalities that could get psychologically addicted to weed,but most of those people are prone to getting addicted to anything anyway.

Are you serious? :shock: I must say in most of the counselling classes in my school most of us have been told that ganja is at least 20 times more addictive than nicotine/cigarette.

Yup,they lied to you. they exaggerated/twisted the facts to further their agenda (In this case however,those counselors in your school outright lied to you,plain and simple. Cannabis is not even close to being as addictive as nicotine nor is it anywhere near as harmful as a cigarrete. Don't believe me? search the net yourself,and not from obviously biased anti-drug websites.)

It reminds me of when religious schools would exaggerate the dangers of casual sex,in an effort to discourage their students from pursuing it. Little do they realize that in doing so,they are destroying their credibility in the eyes of those who know better. And if those students they are preaching to ever find out the truth on their own(which is not hard to do nowadays,we live in the age of the internet)...well,lets just say no one in their right mind is ever going to listen to them ever again :P
Here's an interesting article,its about the author of that website himself. Telling his experience with religious authorities who lied to him and how it turned out. Interestingly enough,it even briefly touches on the subject of drugs:

http://www.girlschase.com/content/dating-without-sex-why-it-usually-doesn%E2%80%99t-work

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby LoneDreamer » 18 Aug 2017 10:56

Well, I must say they didn't do it with any bad intention. You know drug problem is high in my state. Maybe that's why they exaggerated. :lol: Also isn't ganja much more expensive than cigarette.


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