Lucid Dreaming and Religion

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RedKryptonite
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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 18 Aug 2017 11:36

LoneDreamer wrote:Well, I must say they didn't do it with any bad intention. You know drug problem is high in my state. Maybe that's why they exaggerated. :lol: Also isn't ganja much more expensive than cigarette.

The illegal nature of drugs in your state and the exaggerations may very well have something to do with the high drug problem. Refer to my example of countries(i.e Portugal,Netherlands,etc.) who have decided to decriminalize drugs which resulted in a massive drop of drug-related problems. I have a theory,one of the reasons for this massive drop probably has something to do with the fact that a lot of people(especially kids and teens)desire the "Forbidden Fruit." The desire to do something they know isn't allowed. Remove this mystique and a lot of kids and teens lose interest.

That being said,despite my stance on drug decriminalization/legalization,I agree that little kids and teens below 18 should NOT be allowed to do drugs,as doing so could lead to all sorts of problem with their development and often they lack the maturity to practice harm reduction when doing these drugs. For instance,a significant number of people addicted to cigarettes started at a young age. I smoked my first cigarette at 19 when I was already done with high school. I did it,and then did it a few more times and I found that I didn't like it and didn't want to continue with it. (Most people find their first cig unpleasant,their continued use of it is either because of peer pressure or sheer boredom)

I get that the school's intention isn't bad,but it would behoove them to tell them the true facts,that doing drugs at their age could indeed mess with their development(which would be true indeed)and if they really want to do it,its best to wait for the right age. while this probably doesn't remove the "forbidden fruit" mystique entirely,it at least somewhat reduces it. (I for instance,never found much fascination with Alcohol,even though I knew I shouldn't do it as a child. because I knew that once you're an adult,their just another ordinary part of daily life)

Should kids and under aged teens be forbidden from sex? while they should be discouraged,you're probably not gonna stop them if they find themselves an opportunity,so you're a lot better off teaching them how to use contraceptives and condoms to minimize unwanted pregnancies and STD's. again,just my 2 cents.

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 18 Aug 2017 11:38

Speaking of Drug harm reduction though,does anyone here know of any book that actually goes into that? I've seen forums that talk about it (i.e keeping your tolerance to a minimum,only using once a month,etc.)but I've never actually encountered a book that goes into detail about it. If anyone could point one out,it would be highly appreciated. :mrgreen:

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 18 Aug 2017 11:55

LoneDreamer wrote:Also isn't ganja much more expensive than cigarette.

Oh yeah,I forgot to answer this. Yeah,this is true. and I assume that even if Cannabis is fully legalized,it will probably still be more expensive than cigs. But hey,if I had to choose between paying for a little more vs a habit that I KNOW is truly hazardous to your health and has been proven so many,many times before. I think I'd choose paying a little more. Time is more valuable than Money ;)

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby LoneDreamer » 18 Aug 2017 12:36

Did you smoke ganja or consume it like food? Also, if it's legalized can't it be grown easily. I mean, I don't think it's hard to grow. Also, I have heard some people say that in the Vedas they are considered a precious plant.

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 18 Aug 2017 12:50

LoneDreamer wrote:Did you smoke ganja or consume it like food? Also, if it's legalized can't it be grown easily. I mean, I don't think it's hard to grow. Also, I have heard some people say that in the Vedas they are considered a precious plant.

I smoked it. Although I've always wanted to try out pot brownies,they were simply not available in my area. This is a goal that will have to wait until I manage to travel to Netherlands.

My father and I eventually planned to switch to vaped Cannabis over using the joints. While weed smoke has never been proven to cause lung cancer to my knowledge(some say it actually even strengthens the lungs),we knew that all the possible downsides of smoked ganja is gone from the vaped versions. Unfortunately,when a certain someone became president and started mass murdering drug users and sellers with his death squads and assassins,we were forced to abandon the idea. :(
so this is a faraway dream until either that president dies or I move to another country.

Oh well,at least lucid dreaming isn't illegal.

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 18 Aug 2017 12:53

LoneDreamer wrote:Also, if it's legalized can't it be grown easily. I mean, I don't think it's hard to grow. Also, I have heard some people say that in the Vedas they are considered a precious plant.


Yes,Cannabis is easy to grow,which is why it shouldn't be legal for civilians to sell it. otherwise we will get a plethora of lazy people selling the stuff instead of looking for a legitimate job. In a country where drugs are legalized,the government and their assigned people should be the only ones allowed to sell them. This would make a lot of useful cash to help build their society.

I don't know anything about Vedas,so I sadly can't comment on that.

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby LoneDreamer » 18 Aug 2017 13:34

Vedas are the oldest books/scriptures of Hinduism. They are really long scriptures. Its more about living and stuff rather than how you treat pagans. What I meant was that many ppl in my country say that Vedas said that ganja is precious and valuable medicines and stuff. So it should be legalised. As far as smoking is concerned I have read that smoking anything is not good for lungs. Also, is your prez Trump?

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby RedKryptonite » 18 Aug 2017 14:12

LoneDreamer wrote:Vedas are the oldest books/scriptures of Hinduism. They are really long scriptures. Its more about living and stuff rather than how you treat pagans. What I meant was that many ppl in my country say that Vedas said that ganja is precious and valuable medicines and stuff. So it should be legalised. As far as smoking is concerned I have read that smoking anything is not good for lungs. Also, is your prez Trump?

Oh,I see. Yes,Cannabis has been scientifically proven to be very useful as a tool for medical treatment. Its a far better and safer alternative than many of the typical pharmaceutical drugs (Unlike those drugs,you can't really overdose on Cannabis. the most that will really happen if you do too much is extreme discomfort and nausea,but chances are you won't die or suffer a fatality)

I'll send you a PM regarding your other question.

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby Summerlander » 18 Aug 2017 15:58

RedKryptonite wrote:
Summerlander wrote:The war on drugs is an absolutele failure and a waste of resources. Alcohol is far more dangerous than cannabis. Where I come from, eversince drugs were decriminalised, the crime rate went down. (Things only remained messy with heroine.) You may guess which European country that, like Holland, took steps to be exemplary regarding drugs ...

People shouldn't have to be punished if they want to experiment with---or recreationally take---mind-altering substances. Drugs can be used moderately and wisely without any serious repercussions. And those who end up abusing them need rehabilitation---not incarceration.

People need to inform themselves about drugs and the risks involved just like tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutics. This is the kind of courtesy that every government should extend to their people in order to send a clear and reasonable message: 'We trust you to be responsible and if you fuck up, we are here to help.' I'm with you on this one, RedKryptonite. Well said. 8-)

Hi Summerlander,
Words cannot describe how much I agree with you. Hopefully I successfully get my Visa soon. I'd definitely love to visit those places. (if not live there one day).

There is something I'd like to ask. Have you ever tried DMT? I've heard its a drug that could give a human the most powerful psychedelic experience they could ever experience,to the point it could very well change them forever. Its definitely in my "to-do before I die" list.


I've never tried exogenous DMT (tried psilocybin and salvia, the latter can produce similar effects). I have read DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman---who conducted DMT trials on human subjects. He was studying its effects on the brain and found the strange experiences people reported quite intriguing. They were having out-of-body experiences; encountering what they took to be extradimensional beings; apparently teleporting to other worlds; and experiencing being at one everything. Weird psychedelic stuff ... :shock:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Lucid Dreaming and Religion

Postby LoneDreamer » 23 Aug 2017 14:17

This is one of the debates between Shankaracharya(a theist) and an atheist(probably Buddhist) that probably happened before 800 AD.
http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2008-February/019816.html
I read it, but couldn't understand anything. :| If any of you can understand pls explain it. :geek:


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