Journey into the subconscious. Part 2. (English subtitles)

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Journey into the subconscious. Part 2. (English subtitles)

Postby djek » 02 Dec 2017 15:49

The sequel of movie where the main character travels into dream in search for truth. ;)
https://youtu.be/EyP8nnF7rNY

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Re: Journey into the subconscious. Part 2. (English subtitles)

Postby Summerlander » 02 Dec 2017 21:55

What truth? :mrgreen:

'Free will is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure.'

~Scott Adams

You don't choose feelings---they happen upon you. If we could choose feelings, we could simply choose to be happy all the time---this is clearly not the case. Why do people go for rewarding activities? Why would anyone want to do the opposite apart from the following possible reasons: a) ignorance; b) masochism; and c) to 'prove' a point against determinism?

Altruistic people help others in order to feel good about themselves. There is a reward. Ultimately, even altruism has a selfish agenda. There is no selfless good deed. And there is a fine line between compassion and sanctimony.

People who kill as an act of revenge, knowing they'll get caught, know the result isn't positive---just self-gratifying. Take suicide and euthanasia---they are ways out of perceived torment. The thought of release from arduous living is pleasurable. Positive would be finding a way to live with a strong mind and not upsetting loved ones. The act of revenge is merely tit for tat in order to beget a sense of justice. In the long run, it isn't positive if they ruin their lives.

What about masochists who engage in dangerous sex and know the risks? Many wish they didn't have such urges and yet they are overpowered by them. Take the paedophile afraid to get caught and facing shame; many wish they were normal---and yet they offend if the opportunity arises.

Suicide to escape torture. Hmmm. Nobody wants pain unless this one brings pleasure. The thought of freedom from all experience is pleasurable to the suicidal. It's a release from perceived pain. People who have conditions that prevent them from feeling pleasure did not pick such conditions. It's a predicament.

Normally the term is reward. Try suffocating them and then release them when they're breathless---and they'll see how pleasurable it is to have clear airways. Semantics ...

People don't always pick the perceived path of greatest positive result. The greatest positive result would be to prosecute the murderers of their family members and preserve their model citizenship for the sake of loved ones who care about them. The case is often that they go for crimes of passion knowing the repercussions can be catastrophic. All for those moments of pleasurable revenge ...

Work means they are able to purchase what they want and need---the former involves pleasure, the latter sustains the ability to feel it. And what do depressed people want when they go to therapy groups? To feel better. They still have the memory of good times, when they were able to enjoy life; they want more of that and want to find ways to achieve it lest they decide to go ahead with their wish to not be alive. So they access help with trying to break out of low moods and boom-and-bust cycles. All this just shows how people do not pick their moods and how they struggle to find happiness. They have a will which isn't free from their urges. Ergo, no free will; ergo, pleasure is always a living target.

Smoking isn't positive, it ruins your health, it's an expensive habit and it could kill you. You want to quit but seem unable to do it. Nothing like a delicious fag after a hard day's work. I don't care, I can quit later---I must succumb to this moment of smoking pleasure ...

You see where I'm going with this? It shows:

a) There is no free will. If there was I would be able to choose when to be ready to quit smoking. Instead, it seems that the day I quit will be when my brain stumbles upon favourable neuronal activity.

b) The urge for pleasure is unmistakably overwhelming in its primacy. The brain finds itself making excuses for that moment of pleasure to the possible detriment of one's health.

Pleasure over positivity. 8-)

---Didn't Michael Raduga employ the same animator for a short film about the 'phase state' (OBEs/lucid dreams/AP) :?:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Journey into the subconscious. Part 2. (English subtitles)

Postby RedKryptonite » 03 Dec 2017 04:15

Summerlander wrote:What about masochists who engage in dangerous sex and know the risks? Many wish they didn't have such urges and yet they are overpowered by them. Take the paedophile afraid to get caught and facing shame; many wish they were normal---and yet they offend if the opportunity arises.

I'm about to reveal something really personal,but since this is an anonymous forum board and the chances of any of us ever having a real life meet-up are slim to none,I might as well feel free to reveal it;

Sadly this is the case for me. I have a sexual fetish that completely replaces the desire for sexual intercourse. (I have NEVER masturbated to "normal/vanilla" porn for as long as I can remember. Naked women and sexual intercourse actually REPULSES me)

*Drum roll*
...I have a foot fetish combined with a Femdom Fetish. :oops:
*Drum roll ends*

I do indeed wish I didn't have it. If there's any solace at all in my condition,its that it is compatible with my desire to live the Childfree life, (I can't accidentally impregnate anyone from a footjob after all :lol: ) and the fact that I can't get an STD from it. Thank God (if there is one ;) ) that I didn't get the nastier shit like: Pedophilia,Coprophilia/Coprophagia,Necrophilia,Bestiality,etc. :o :shock:

In fact,to be perfectly honest,a major motivation for me to get into lucid dreaming is so I can have a safe heaven to engage in my...*ahem* "unusual" desires. :twisted:
Because I know that while my fetish isn't as harmful as those mentioned above,it can still bite me in the ass if I don't keep it in check. There are men out there who become real life long-term slaves for dominatrix women,and give up massive amounts of money(even empty their LIFE SAVINGS!! :o )for their services. yikes! If I were to ever indulge,I'll do so only occasionally and just for the experience. The safe world of lucid dreaming(and Fetish porn ;) )will allow me to fulfill those desires without harm to my life.

@djek
I only saw 1 minute of that video and it looks interesting,I'll comment once I've seen it in its entirety. Thank you for sharing :)

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Re: Journey into the subconscious. Part 2. (English subtitles)

Postby RedKryptonite » 03 Dec 2017 04:45

@Summerlander
Hey dude,I hope you don't mind my nosiness,but if you're addicted to cigarettes,you could try switching to E-cigarettes instead. My father is a smoker,and ever since he's switched to the E-cig,most of the bad effects he's had from smoking has disappeared (He can now breathe much better for instance)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW4duMgxEIo

Is this ideal? Well,no. but lets face it,we all know how motherfucking hard it is to truly quit any kind of addiction (otherwise every smoker would be doing it. the majority fail in the long term),but this is a much safer alternative,as explained by that youtube video.

Anyway I wish you luck whatever decision you undertake,I would hate to see such a brilliant man like yourself be killed by this common addiction :)

Edit: Here's an even better video for the argument of E-cigarettes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huvPuCYoBGs

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Re: Journey into the subconscious. Part 2. (English subtitles)

Postby lucidé » 03 Dec 2017 06:50

Actually RedKrypto, you are pretty normal. And you could get paid for giving females pedicures extremely well.
I am unable to have any urges whatsoever either kind of like you, and stay away from certain acts because I find them disgusting and want nothing to do with them. I treat guys like friends, and at the most, quasiplatonic friends (close emotional committed friendship, but none of the love making).
I think at least some people have a bit of control over their emotions, unlike myself, which I have no control over what I end up feeling. The bullies in middle school ruined me so bad mentally that I cannot control that I can go suddenly from calm to instantly angry for no reason.

I'm addicted to video games BTW. At least they don't ruin my health.
An example of lucid dreaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW7ps_VSPkg (1:46 Is that me or is this me? "Am I still dreaming?") Simpsons example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X1n5Yny3g

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Re: Journey into the subconscious. Part 2. (English subtitles)

Postby 24/7/365 » 03 Dec 2017 07:56

If supposedly more primitive life forms are seen as less expansive. Then, de-evolution for higher thought forms can be a concern. It's referred to as Culture for a reason. We are generational and when realization of life is replaced with ideas we forget what is possible; because, we forget ourselves. This is why the Presence of higher life allows self-reflection. In seeing the vast responses, one soon realizes that, " the pieces are broken". I just tell my self that it's nature fault. It's sad really, more for some and less for others.

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Re: Journey into the subconscious. Part 2. (English subtitles)

Postby RedKryptonite » 03 Dec 2017 12:21

lucidé wrote:Actually RedKrypto, you are pretty normal. And you could get paid for giving females pedicures extremely well.
I am unable to have any urges whatsoever either kind of like you, and stay away from certain acts because I find them disgusting and want nothing to do with them. I treat guys like friends, and at the most, quasiplatonic friends (close emotional committed friendship, but none of the love making).
I think at least some people have a bit of control over their emotions, unlike myself, which I have no control over what I end up feeling. The bullies in middle school ruined me so bad mentally that I cannot control that I can go suddenly from calm to instantly angry for no reason.

I'm addicted to video games BTW. At least they don't ruin my health.

Thank you lucidé. Actually,I was already aware that you were asexual,having read some of the past topics and conversations here. You could say I fall into the spectrum,though I'm not 100% asexual like you are.

I don't know if I'm "aromantic" though. Truth be told,I've never experienced "falling in love" before. I've fallen into "heavy fetish related lust" (for lack of a better term)over someone before,but I can't say I've ever legitimately fallen in love before with someone in the romantic and emotional sense. I suppose I will find that out once I've gotten my life in order and start to meet people in hobbies I plan to get into. Well,even if that never happens,the chance to make quasi-platonic friends is definitely of great interest to me.

I'm just curious,but have you ever joined AVEN or some other Ace forum before? I've hanged out in the Ace reddit forum before,but that's about it.

I too have trouble controlling my impulses. Although ever since I've started applying Summerlander's advice to me about mindfulness here
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20090
I've slowly become less and less prone to outbursts. (I still am though,but at least I'm improving). Just this afternoon I nearly tripped,but I didn't swear out of reflex like I usually do. (this is embarrassing behavior,and very bad for when I enter the work/professional environment,so I want to minimize this) and in the past few days I've been able to stop myself from reflexively acting out whenever I encounter an inconvenience (my success rate is not 100% though mind you,it still happens. especially If I've had a really bad day)

This is not necessarily proof of "free will" though (True Free will would mean that temptations and the chemicals in our brain/body would have no power over us,which is obviously not true.)

Oh and @djek
I just finished the video. Allow me to give you a round of applause,it was well-animated! Thanks again for sharing :D

If you made the video,I want to let you know that I subscribed and liked your video. I would have given you 5 stars if youtube still stuck to that rating system. Hope to see more videos! :D

Now,if you'll excuse me,I'll go watch part 1 ;)


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