Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Tell us about your first lucid dream - and your latest. We want all the juicy details. Also share results of dream challenge experiments.
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Re: Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Postby Karin » 28 May 2014 20:52

Nesgirl,

I wanted to reply more extensively but first I wanted to ask you what you mean by 'undead'. I don't want to reply something that you will interpret as 'undead' because I didn't know what it means. The only 'undead' I know about is zombie movies (I am in my 40's)...

Besides that, if I were in your shoes, I would be careful with whom I share my LDs. Some people find it very threatening when something occurs that does not fit within the box of their belief system, and so as they feel threatened, they will attack (call you crazy, liar, etc...).

Actually, I think most people find it very difficult to deal with an event that cannot be explained by their current view of what 'reality' is. However, that's how great discoveries are made, and that's how our understanding of what reality is can evolve and deepen.

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Re: Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Postby Karin » 28 May 2014 23:04

Oh OK, thanks for explaining 'undead' to me!

By the way, I think a lucid dream forum is likely more open-minded than the average crowd (I hope). I personally love to hear stories like yours.

Concerning your dream experiences, it sounds to me like you have to go to great lengths to 'explain them away' yourself. Maybe future dream experiences will help you determine if what happened was just coincidence or not. Because if it happens again and again, it will be more and more unlikely that it was just coincidences, in my opinion.

The problem is, if it wasn't just a coincidence, I would think it will be difficult for you to find people who can explain to you what is happening: you might hear a variety of unverifiable theories, and I am pretty sure you won't hear a scientific explanation, since according to current science, what you described is impossible. But current science does not know everything.

Anyways, I think it takes a lot of courage to be exploring as you do, to share and to be seeking explanations. Maybe trust your instinct for determining what is true for you. Maybe you can come up with your own theory about how such experiences are possible? Maybe you can even use your dream states to ask questions and get better clarity about what is going on?

Besides 'undead' theories, how about this theory (if it doesn't make sense to you just discard it): what if waking reality is in fact a sort of non-lucid dream that our consciousness is having, and we forgot who we really are beyond this dream? Kind of like a non-lucid shared dream with others? In this 'reality dream', we have our life and at night we have dreams (lucid or not) within the dream. Most of us might be hyper-focused in the 'reality dream', totally believing that it's all there is, and totally buying into the rules of physics, but maybe a few people are a little more 'awake', more 'lucid, and able to connect with others at levels beyond the dream and 'bend' the rules a bit? Maybe some children with handicaps have more difficulties to function well in the 'reality dream' precisely because they are less focused there and more aware of other levels?

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Re: Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Postby obi__juan » 31 May 2014 07:35

Drowsy, I decided to induce a WILD on the couch. Using SP, I took control of my Dream body and opened my dream eyes, got off the couch and started to fly (in the WILD). (in certain WILDs, I am clothed in a white robe, have a blue glowing sash wrapped around me and behind me leads back to where I started the WILD [typical Lucid Dream symbol, and a bit similar to Alice in Wonderland I think], and am a full grown young adult) I was still in the classroom and nothing seemed to change at all (a little bit of LD clarity though). I then decided I wanted to fly to the skating center where everyone was. So I flew at dream speed to the skating center (which didn't seem to change from the one from reality, although it had LD clarity), and after positioning myself in front of a pillar, I just observed everyone skate. I thought I was completely invisible, until one of the kids stopped dead in front of me, turned around, looked right into my eyes, called out my name, and we started to chat. Then one of the teachers asks who his imaginary friend is. He shakes his head and says he's talking to me. We resume chatting. I eventually feel like I need to end my WILD. I then fly away speedily away from the skating center, back to the classroom, and back to the couch, ending my WILD. Just in time for the bell for my next class.

This sounds less like a Lucid Dream and more like an Astral Projection. Astral Projection isn't quite scientifically proven but it is theorized that it is a different plane of existence. Not undead or anything, just different. I have some experience with this and very extensive knowledge but it sounds to me as if you crossed the very thin threshold between dreams and reality that most people dont even know exists. Let me know if you have questions.

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Re: Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Postby obi__juan » 31 May 2014 23:09

Just a thought. Pretty wild though. lol, see what I did there.

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Re: Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Postby taniaaust1 » 02 Jun 2014 13:25

obi__juan wrote:This sounds less like a Lucid Dream and more like an Astral Projection. Astral Projection isn't quite scientifically proven but it is theorized that it is a different plane of existence. Not undead or anything, just different. I have some experience with this and very extensive knowledge but it sounds to me as if you crossed the very thin threshold between dreams and reality that most people dont even know exists. Let me know if you have questions.


[quote=nesgirl] Problem is I was aware I was dreaming inside the WILD. And there were dream signs in there (like flying, invisibility, phasing, that clone, etc), so I took into account that it was a Lucid dream (I always reality check, even in reality, and knowing a bit in science, anytime there is something that doesn't follow the laws of science will automatically make the whole area of existence I currently am in a dream). It to me was an observant Lucid Dream, and nothing more (I have observant WILDs quite often in fact, although people do not like it when I talk about them). And to me, everything occurs inside the mind. Also to me, you can literally Lucid Dream about anything you wish and still have it be a Lucid Dream.
That subject gets into the undead, like ghosts and whatever. (shivers). I think I would rather talk about it being a Lucid Dream[/quote]

Its like you are wanting people to tell you about what looks like a spider bite when you do not want spiders spoken about!

think of things like this. It is possible to daydream during a day when fully asleep, people do it at school all the time!. It is also possible to be dreaming some while having an astral projection and to be experiencing a bit of both things.

That child.. its very likely he can see things most cant and saw you astrally and did in fact talk to you. Some children can not distingish between astral things and physical beings. I had a very gifted child in that area who often could see things. We even saw the same things at times. That child if he can see that, he can see other things too.. ask him what he sees around your body (he may describe your aura).

I will say no more as you do not really want people talking about it.
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Re: Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Postby taniaaust1 » 03 Jun 2014 08:34

nesgirl wrote:
taniaaust1 wrote:Its like you are wanting people to tell you about what looks like a spider bite when you do not want spiders spoken about!

think of things like this. It is possible to daydream during a day when fully asleep, people do it at school all the time!. It is also possible to be dreaming some while having an astral projection and to be experiencing a bit of both things.

That child.. its very likely he can see things most cant and saw you astrally and did in fact talk to you. Some children can not distingish between astral things and physical beings. I had a very gifted child in that area who often could see things. We even saw the same things at times. That child if he can see that, he can see other things too.. ask him what he sees around your body (he may describe your aura).

I will say no more as you do not really want people talking about it.


Eh that was way back in high school, 10 years ago, and I don't know where the heck that kid is now. I still think it was a WILD though. And I am NO zombie/ghoul/ghost. No matter what anyone says.

And I have had plenty of WILDs since then (I haven't had any prying eyes, but more conversation reactions than I can count, and friends to talk to about it), like a more recent one about part of my Brother's graduation when I had the WILD at about 1:10PM that day (because I was sick and unable to actually attend, so I had a WILD about the graduation). Quite a nice WILD too. My brother liked my WILD so much, especially after I told him about the way he posed in the WILD (because he actually posed that way at the graduation), that he wants me to make the WILD I had into a T-shirt for him in Photoshop.

Look I am not fully convinced it is that.
I may have gotten through step 1 (with the event lining up right in a WILD and with a certain activity), but that can easily happen in a WILD inside your head, also taken upon those to be coincidence and luck by science. At least according to my Sister.
However, there is a second step that I always take into consideration for this kind of activity: Video Evidence on an Infrared Camera. which should have no problem detecting if anything is there (in some of my WILDs where I am supposedly invisible, I apparently am not in front of one, and get a lot of bashing by a lot of dream characters who enter the scene), where it wasn't possible to get one 2 years ago, it is now possible to do so, although it is about $250.
If you completed step 1 and step 2, why not upload the videos from step 2 for everyone to see? If you do that, I'll be fully convinced you're doing it. I will never be convinced it is anything more than a WILD if I all I get an infrared camera, film, and all I see on there a screenshot of the bedroom on the camera.


Does the energy form of someone who is out of body even show up on an infrared camera? Infrafred cameras dont pick up all forms of energy!! So I dont know the answer to that.

I do know thou that some have caught people doing it on a normal camera. I once had photo of a photo I took of someone elses photo where his friends who could do that did pose for a normal camera. (I gave the photo to someone and had planned to take more photos of those negatives but never did, who knows where they are now.. I have a whole box of negatives and photos).

I myself dont need convincing as I have proven to myself its true and do not feel a need to go out of my way to try to convince others. If people dont believe, it doesnt really matter to me. I dont even have a real interest to share my experiences with you on this.
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Re: Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Postby taniaaust1 » 04 Jun 2014 09:43

I have had a dream sharing experience before, Ive posted my experience with that here in the past. I think dream sharing is hard between people who arent strongly connected (I had my experience with my child).

Dream sharing wouldnt prove out of body experience as after all maybe both ARE JUST DREAMING but having a telepathy experience? (connected on the mental auric layer as those who believe in this stuff would say). The dream sharing experience I had, interestingly didnt feel like an OBE to me, it just felt like an ordinary dream.. same to my child.

If you want to do dream sharing stuff.. try doing it with someone you are close too and strongly connected to and preferably someone who is asleep not far away from you. (I dont know but maybe the distance being closer and people in the others outter aura layers could well help?).

Dream sharing isnt something Ive worked with at all (my experience with that was spontanous with the other. It was triggered off by her situation in her dream).
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Re: Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Postby obi__juan » 04 Jun 2014 11:23

Hey, I know your trying to be helpful and all with this posting about astral projection, auras, and other things that dont have scientific backing, not saying I dont agree with them), but some people in this thread find it offensive when you challege thier beliefs. (even though the challenge of belief and the ability to discern truth with an open mind is an important skill) So I just would like to ask that your comments concerning astral projection and things of that nature be placed in a more appropriate thread. I believe there is one specifically for this type of thing.
Thanks for you consideration,
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Re: Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Postby taniaaust1 » 05 Jun 2014 02:01

obi__juan wrote:Hey, I know your trying to be helpful and all with this posting about astral projection, auras, and other things that dont have scientific backing, not saying I dont agree with them), but some people in this thread find it offensive when you challege thier beliefs. (even though the challenge of belief and the ability to discern truth with an open mind is an important skill) So I just would like to ask that your comments concerning astral projection and things of that nature be placed in a more appropriate thread. I believe there is one specifically for this type of thing.
Thanks for you consideration,
Obi__juan


Sorry. The original poster was herself talking about experimenting to pick up things on infrared cameras. I dont think she was refering to dreams can be picked up on those? Was she? If she was.. I ask for clarification that she was wanting to try to pick up dreams by infrared cameras? (maybe I did get it wrong?).

I could of split my comments and took that part of her post and copied it into the other section for comment on but I dont think she would of liked that so put my comment to what she'd said here. (she's already complained to me about in a pm about duplicate posts, so to copy her comment and put it elsewhere would been to have done that).

Im going to block the original thread poster to avoid getting myself into trouble by responding to her posts, I think that would be best for all.
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Re: Getting into trouble over a Lucid Dream

Postby obi__juan » 05 Jun 2014 03:56

Is it that easy to get blocked on a forum??
This is the first forum Ive been a part of.


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