False Awakening or OBE?

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False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 23 Dec 2014 23:37

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15678


Do you know what this could be? I forgot to say that I felt a sensation of being disconnected from my body at beginning. BUT, there was a difference in my room, after waking up. A door was actually closed but in my dream it was open. What could it be?
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 24 Dec 2014 14:58

So, it wasn't an OBE. But it felt like that.. :(
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 24 Dec 2014 22:01

Why they would hurt me? Is astral projection dangerous?
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 24 Dec 2014 23:22

In fact, I believe that this can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.

For example if it just happens to you and you cannot avoid it. But if you get in the process to try something like astral projection, you get in the process to learn countering yourself of entities on the astral world. With time I guess..

Thanks for answering to me!
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 25 Dec 2014 22:45

But of course you didn't! I don't think WILD and OBE is the same thing, though so many people claim that way. These entities are not part of your subconscious, they are real (like you and me in the astral world) as I can know from what I have read. But do not take that for granted, even though if you do a research, you will find many experiences that have reference to these entities. Anyway, you will know for sure someday anyway. We all will, I guess..
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 26 Dec 2014 01:38

I do agree with that the WILDs are just dreams. And only you know your dreams, so of course you have the right to call them what you feel they are.

Now, you may call me narrow-minded but I will dare to say that this experiment cannot actually happen. In your occasion, just because they are dreams as you say. But in general (for those who meditate I mean) not because there are not the means (which I doubt there are any) for us to do it, but because I) AP doesn't belong in physical and II) the time in here might be a lot different than the time in there (astral plane as some call it). So, no physical means could ever prove anything like that and you might be right to doubt it, but as it can be experienced through you and only, you could try and see for yourself the truth.

I tell that to myself too, but I have a great desire to master the LD world first as it is far more creative (it's fun! :) ) and it could be something like a prologue for me before trying meditation techniques, that seem to open the gates for something far more serious.
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby Enra Traz » 26 Dec 2014 03:52

I share nesgirl's sentiments on this one. I believe what people experience when they think they are in the astral projection state is nothing but a dream, i.e. an illusion unconsciously brought forth by the mind.

Since people who believe they are astral projecting are aware that they are physically in repose but do not think they are dreaming, we cannot really say that they are lucid dreaming - as this means to be aware that one is dreaming while it's happening.

What we can say is that this so-called astral projection is a similar phenomenon begotten by the same hybrid phase state of the brain that gives rise to lucid dreaming. Like in lucid dreams, the sleeper who believes he's astral projecting possesses an unusually high degree of consciousness, as though he were awake in a dream world (and this is exactly how it feels). Thus, it seems to me that the difference between the astral plane and the lucid dream world lies in belief and interpretation.

I find it fascinating how easily New Age adherents can dismiss the potential for dreams to emulate anything imaginable - including one's idea of a spirit realm inhabited by discarnate beings.

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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby Summerlander » 26 Dec 2014 13:42

Cool link! And that is exactly what astral projectors are doing without realising it. They are unconsciously exercising escapism. They reject the notion that the astral plane is just a dream because, to them, it seems to obliterate the magic, the beauty, it kills their fantasy.

Evidence weighs heavily in favour of these experiences being subjective worlds, illusions forged by a creative human mind. I am yet to discover what makes New Age adherents so sure that what they experience in the aforesaid phase state is an objective spiritual plane of existence.

What makes them differentiate between a dream simulation of the astral plane and a hypothetically real visit to said metaphysical realm? What is the one element that the astral plane has that a dream simulation of it does not? I think Desert Explorer will not be able to mention one and substantiate it with enough gravitas. I have had many replies to my challenge and so far every single one of them has been refuted.

The fact is: anything can happen in the dreamland that originates in our heads. The dreaming mind has the potential to make anything imaginary appear real, thereby creating a very convincing illusion so powerful that sometimes the dreaming witness is gulled by the impact.

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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby DesertExplorer » 26 Dec 2014 17:25

Who says that I want to counter myself to what you are all saying? There is no evidence in what I say that exists and no in what you claim.

And, what you all claim seems or better "feels" more likely the truth. I have not landed in any "field" between this opposition that arose. Because, I clearly don't want to fall into a world of nightmare created by my mind.

Was it for you, was it me?
Did I watch too much TV?.. :lol:

Last night I read Rebecca's opinion on the matter and may I say the words convinced me not until the very last moment I finished reading. Not because of logic (everyone has one at least), but because I want it that way, too. For it feels that way, eventually.. Does what it feels right is the truth? I for the first time hope so.
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Re: False Awakening or OBE?

Postby Enra Traz » 26 Dec 2014 18:03

So you'd say that you're agnostic about this subject whilst admitting to wishful thinking? Am I correct in saying that you don't necessarily believe in astral projection but you do believe in its belief as it gives people some sort of hope?

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