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Taking breaks

Postby tompine73 » 03 May 2015 12:46

I am a pretty hopeless lucid dreamer, I've had about 4 in just over a year. It is quite hard genuinely believing you are going to have a lucid dream (i.e. all of the priming during the day) when at the back of your mind you know you probably aren't.

I've taken a couple of breaks but just wanted to see what other people do. The people attempt lucid dreams just on the weekend? Or really go for it for a week and take a week off? Order some people genuinely try to have a lucid dream every night?

I've got quite into meditating although all I can manage is about 15 minutes and it's quite a struggle. So I have continued doing this even on a break, but what about reality checks. Do people really do 15 reality checks every day continuously?

Any thoughts would be appreciated

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Re: Taking breaks

Postby taniaaust1 » 03 May 2015 16:49

I am a pretty hopeless lucid dreamer, I've had about 4 in just over a year. It is quite hard genuinely believing you are going to have a lucid dream (i.e. all of the priming during the day) when at the back of your mind you know you probably aren't.


Yeah that would have a negative impact. Maybe you do need a fresh start so you can get back into it more intensely with a better mindset at a later date.

I've taken a couple of breaks but just wanted to see what other people do. The people attempt lucid dreams just on the weekend? Or really go for it for a week and take a week off? Order some people genuinely try to have a lucid dream every night?


Is that what you've been doing.. one week on, one week off or taking breaks on weekends? I personally think that taking breaks like that would negatively impact on whatever you are trying to program in eg reality checks or just trying to program yourself to suddenly becoming lucid in a dream.

When I take a break, I take a proper break and have 4-12 months off (I don't take breaks cause its hard but just cause I just really cant be bothered with LD at times due to other life stuff). If Im trying to program my mind or change something, I myself do not find it at all helpful to break in those other ways you mentioned and that would completely screw up me getting back into it... my mind wouldn't like reset into it. (It's currently taking me thinking of LD for 2 hrs per day regularly eg near every day, to trigger one off.. if I stop my focus for 2-3 days, I stop having LDs).

I took a long break (many months break.. 6mths break) not long ago... Though I know what Im doing with this and are experienced with LD, it took me 3 weeks of almost daily (at least once every 2 days) really working on it to get my LDs happening well again though I had an intense desire to get back into it. Had I taken a week off... I think I would of been back to square one (beginning again)..

It's like having to develop a new habit... if one is developing a habit its not wise to take breaks all over the place (no one would ever give up smoking like that!!.. I think training ones mind to enter into an aware sleep state is just like getting rid of your old unaware habit and developing a new habit).

some people genuinely try to have a lucid dream every night?


that's the best way if a person is trying to develop having LDs.. that is unless a person is trying too hard in their attempts in which case then it may not work due to anxiety around this or whatever eg a negative belief that they cant do it.

I always have a LD if I have one of those rarer occasions in which I KNOW I can have a LD. So the power of the mind must play some part with this too.

I've got quite into meditating although all I can manage is about 15 minutes and it's quite a struggle


That isn't sounding right at all, meditation shouldn't be hard, if its hard you are doing something wrong. How are you meditating? (maybe this is your issue).

Do people really do 15 reality checks every day continuously?


Ive never liked reality checking... so currently I only tend to reality check "weirdness" and that can work okay for me (if doing that you need to make sure you never miss reality checking to "weirdness' in real life). I probably reality check to weirdness in my real life about once every 1-3 months as being housebound, I don't get much weirdness in my life and my dreams usually aren't at all weird (more like real life). I've had two LDs in the past 2-3 weeks due to reality checking "weirdness" (weird situations).
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Re: Taking breaks

Postby taniaaust1 » 03 May 2015 17:41

I just went through your old posts trying to see what the issue is and what you've already tried. Looks like you've really tried to figure it out.

I found your meditation in your posts http://www.meditationmojo.com/meditation-articles/advanced-meditation/61-points-relaxation-meditation :shock: I don't like that one for a couple of reasons.. 1. I don't think with that counting of different numbers upwards, it would be all that properly relaxing (there is a good reason why most hypnosis counts down and not up!). It's actually stimulating counting upwards and counting itself can be quite stimulating.

2. It puts total focus within the body so no focus is going outside the body. Focus outside of the body is "often" good to have as that then helps a person to get aware easier when they've entered into a LD. (though many can LD fine with the focus on oneself but you may not be one of those people).

3. Strangely that meditation gets you to relax joint areas and miss some major muscle areas eg the face and its muscles is missed.. the jaw is missed which is huge spot people hold tension, it misses around the eyes and the forehead (so I don't think its a good progressive relaxation meditation even with it expecting a person to remember 61 points.. its stressful just thinking about it. It's the muscles which hold tension and need the focus on.

I like progressive body relaxation. With that a person just works down the body (not worrying about missing anything.. its simply follow the body and its muscles!) and tenses and releases each part.

4. That meditation isn't one in which you can really allow your mind to start to drift as it will take a lot of focus to come back and work out what number count in the 61 count you are at (which could well take a person out of the states for a LD).

Relaxation (which if something is hard it isn't!) and awareness meditations are good for LD and this one isn't really good for either (as its not having you question anything at all, nor is it expanding your awareness outwards at all). As a meditation this one is fine but as a meditation to go with LD, I personally don't think so so much. You need to still your waking mind some while at the same time being observant for LD A very relaxed focus is needed.
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an old post of yours said

I was trying for about 4 months before I had my 1st lucid dream experience. And in fact it happened when I was "on a break". So not trying too hard seemed to work for me.


it does sound like you are probably still trying to hard when you are trying to do things and not doing things in a relaxed enough kind of way. (I don't think your meditation is a good one, there are better ones for LD out there, no wonder you are finding meditation hard!).
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An old post of yours said
I have yet to see something in normal life which I could consider a bit dreamlike to make me carry out a reality test. So instead I have just got into the habit of carrying out random reality checks
Im also wondering if you ended up matching your reality checks to something or if you are still doing them ramdonly (that may be an issue for you). I personally myself would never do random checks without having reality check triggers.

Also Im wondering if you've given the various WILD techniques a go? I haven't seen anything about WILD in your posts. You may be better off doing one of the meditations which are good for trying to WILD.
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Re: Taking breaks

Postby tompine73 » 05 May 2015 00:42

Wow. Thanks for all of that (again)

On meditation: I just tend to do the 61 point technique at night now to see if I am tired enough to sleep as I often have difficulty getting off to sleep. The thing is I can only feel from my shoulders down so I kind of guess my way around my body. I will definitely think more about relaxation (should be easy as I've got that much less to relax!)

The meditation I find hard is sitting still and just focusing on my breathing. Almost instantly my mind wanders and so I bring it back to breathing and so on. Meditation advice tends to say not to beat yourself up about mind wandering, so I don't, but I still feel that my mind is off rather quickly. Do you meditate during the day? Or do you just meditate when you are trying to meditate off into an LD?

I haven't gone anywhere near WILDs as most advice says it's more for the advanced lucid dreamer. However, I wouldn't really say the lucid dreams I have had have been MILDs, I would really class them as spontaneous but probably more likely to have happened because of all the focus I was giving lucid dreaming.

I think I have been a bit on and off (half-hearted?) through fear of failure. Which is a bit strange because I have had some success. But I think a good idea would be to take a genuine lucid dreaming break and get stuck in, in a couple of months. I must admit I have also had a few other issues which have probably taken centre stage.

Sorry for all the questions and thanks again for your previous reply

PS.You mentioned in a previous post about using a clock and someone else talked about repetitive beats when you go to sleep. Is this when you go to sleep at night, or when you go to sleep after having woken up some time early morning i.e. just before a good time to lucid dream? Do you do the "Wake up back to bed" method?

PPS. You also joined in on a post which was talking about prescription medication. I'm on amitriptyline and have recently moved over from gabapentin to pregabalin (I think this has helped my sleeping). I also take baclofen. Do any of these register with you? I should really make this a separate post and I probably will.

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Re: Taking breaks

Postby taniaaust1 » 05 May 2015 12:53

tompine73 wrote:Wow. Thanks for all of that (again)

On meditation: I just tend to do the 61 point technique at night now to see if I am tired enough to sleep as I often have difficulty getting off to sleep. The thing is I can only feel from my shoulders down so I kind of guess my way around my body.


Was that meant to say "cant" feel from shoulders down, so having to guess way around body?
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The meditation I find hard is sitting still and just focusing on my breathing. Almost instantly my mind wanders and so I bring it back to breathing and so on. Meditation advice tends to say not to beat yourself up about mind wandering, so I don't, but I still feel that my mind is off rather quickly.


That's the thing.. for a LD you need your mind to start wandering with random thoughts so opposite to what most meditators are aiming for which is often mind stillness. Hence the meditation you are doing may not be helpful for LD.

Also its pity you have been doing it sitting up as its possible to drift into a WILD from a meditation state but sitting up of cause that wont happen. Many people do meditation right before they try to do a WILD (so will be doing the meditation laying down).

Do you meditate during the day? Or do you just meditate when you are trying to meditate off into an LD?


I gave up meditation when I got into LD as I found its a slightly different state I need for LD. (With meditation being a yogi I can go into a completely mind still state where Im awake but like not there so I cant LD in that state.. I can stay in that state ALL night, its timeless sate.. so its certainly what I don't want when trying to WILD.. LDs for me don't tend to be timeless, they flow with events etc).

I do though do things like using mantras or just holding breath awareness to get into a WILD (I actually just do whatever feels right at the time, I really got no set way I do my WILDs. Holding breath awareness can be seen as a form of meditation.

I haven't gone anywhere near WILDs as most advice says it's more for the advanced lucid dreamer.


Unfortunately that advice is wrong for some (a lot of the time the ones saying this are beginners who have never had a LD). Some people find WILD a lot easier then the other techniques, it depends on the individual so I don't like how its often potrayed that WILD is for advanced lucid dreamers. It's worth beginners when experimenting with different techniques, to give it a go and see what works for them.

For myself trying to reality check in a dream is a lot harder.

I think I have been a bit on and off (half-hearted?) through fear of failure. Which is a bit strange because I have had some success.


:) I was like that.

But I think a good idea would be to take a genuine lucid dreaming break and get stuck in, in a couple of months.


When you came back to it, try different techniques.

PS.You mentioned in a previous post about using a clock and someone else talked about repetitive beats when you go to sleep. Is this when you go to sleep at night, or when you go to sleep after having woken up some time early morning i.e. just before a good time to lucid dream? Do you do the "Wake up back to bed" method?


I don't know yet how well the clock thing works for others but its a new thing I came up with and it did cause me to become aware in an LD in which I wouldn't have otherwise, after I tried this for a week.

I personally wouldn't suggest using the clock just after waking up as that just on waking up time is a great time to not move at all and try for a LD right away. (its a great time to try to reenter any dream you've just woke up from or just relax into a WILD)

I try the clock thing when I can sleep on going to bed ..... It doesn't seem to stop me at all from getting to sleep then as with my insomnia Im completely exhausted by the time I can sleep (I've found I can wake up in a dream cause ticking I was actively listening too when going to sleep has stopped). When the alarm goes off it doesn't disturb me much as its one which turns itself off (I actually use a kitchen timer), it disturbs me just enough to wake myself up slightly so I can have another shot at WILD if I missed it the first time (or I just immediately go back to sleep at that point if I don't feel like trying again).

Do you do the "Wake up back to bed" method?


No I cant do that cause of my insomnia. One of my preferred times to do a WILD is during an afternoon nap.

PPS. You also joined in on a post which was talking about prescription medication. I'm on amitriptyline and have recently moved over from gabapentin to pregabalin (I think this has helped my sleeping). I also take baclofen. Do any of these register with you? I should really make this a separate post and I probably will.


**cringes at the amitriptyline**

That is one of the worst medications I've taken in my life, it damaged my body. A doctor put me on a very low dose of it for my insomnia as its sometimes used off label for... it only took 2-3 weeks to give my very sensitive body damage. It actually prolapsed my bowel ..so I then couldn't go to the toilet naturally, I was on daily enemas and manual removal of feaces for ages due to that med!!

I ended up having to see a bowel specialist due to the problems it gave me and almost ended up needing surgery (we didn't know if I was going to improve.. it took nearly a year before my body was over the affects of that drug in which I had to take mega doses of stuff just so I could go and I still now have weak spot in my bowel which is prone to prolapse again at times).

One of the affects of that drug if you look at Wikipedia is that it slows down bowel peristalsis and I already had IBS-C so that made the problem already I had far worst.

I've since come across one other who ended up with serious bowel issues too due to it.. and third person on another forum I met ended up with a paralaysed bladder when she took it.. permanent damages. Note all of us three though all had another serious health problem.. Myalgic Encephalomyelitis .. so maybe these kind of issues only happen in our patient group with that drug??).

As I was only on it for a couple of weeks and wasn't working on LD at the time, I cant say how it would of affected that.

The other two drugs you've mentioned, I've never been on for anything.
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Re: Taking breaks

Postby tompine73 » 08 May 2015 12:23

Amitriptyline is a strange one. Sounds like it gave you a real horrific time. I was prescribed it a long time ago and have been on it slightly on and off since (I keep stopping and starting it which is something I shouldn't do, but I'm always experimenting). Because my body is so strange after the spinal accident I think many drugs have different effects; at the moment, for the 1st time since my accident I'm actually sleeping really well (I often used to stay awake until 3 AM, 4 AM, 6 AM! or will not even sleep at all). The sleeping well could be due to a number of factors but I'm not going to mess around with my medication just in case.

Yes, I did mean to say, can't feel anything from my shoulders DOWN. The other way round would be really rather strange :o

That's really interesting what you say about WILD. Every day I get back into bed and crash out at around 5 PM for an hour or 2. This is mostly to give my back a break but I often doze off even though not for very long, so a good opportunity to at least practice some WILDs. And when I wake up in the night (well, early morning) I often lie still to try to remember my dream but then record it for my dream diary. Again this looks like a good time to have a go at a WILD.

I understand what you're saying about meditation. I think I will still try to do my mindfulness type meditation in the evening, what you call stilling the mind but then will use a more "drify" type of meditation to try to enter a WILD during naps or early morning.


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