Are emotions an illusion?

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Are emotions an illusion?

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Are emotions an illusion?

Postby DesertExplorer » 31 Jul 2015 14:43

What do you think?
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Re: Are emotions an illusion?

Postby deschainXIX » 09 Aug 2015 20:17

Either everything is an illusion or nothing is. To say that one quale is legitimate and another is not is absurd.
Well said.

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Re: Are emotions an illusion?

Postby Summerlander » 11 Aug 2015 12:45

They are, subjectively, real feelings. They exist as feelings because if they didn't they wouldn't be felt. To me, everything that exists in consciousness is real insofar as a percept goes. Of course, if you look at the causes of emotions, the objective conveyance, you only see chemicals -- it's as though emotion is not there. But in order to perceive the emotional qualia, you have to be those interacting chemicals. Why? Because consciousness is what it is like to be.

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Re: Are emotions an illusion?

Postby taniaaust1 » 12 Aug 2015 13:31

Emotions are created via thoughts. Without a thought either conscious or subconscious, there cant be an emotion.

They can be gotten rid of via hypnosis even the "feeling" of pain can be. There was one experiment in Australia where they did stomach surgery on someone in Australia using just hypnosis instead of anaesthetic.
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Re: Are emotions an illusion?

Postby Summerlander » 03 Sep 2015 22:26

Emotions can also create thoughts. So a cycle exists where thoughts and emotion fuel each other. But, evolutionarily speaking, the emotional brain precedes the thinking brain. The latter has merely been able to name the former through the use of language. So, to say that emotions are solely created via thoughts is not exactly true. Thoughts can indeed trigger emotions but one must also ask where thoughts are coming from and why particular flavours arise.

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Re: Are emotions an illusion?

Postby DesertExplorer » 11 Sep 2015 09:34

Do you know how much I love you? I appreciate your answers!! :P
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Re: Are emotions an illusion?

Postby DesertExplorer » 11 Sep 2015 09:41

Summerlander wrote:Of course, if you look at the causes of emotions, the objective conveyance, you only see chemicals -- it's as though emotion is not there. But in order to perceive the emotional qualia, you have to be those interacting chemicals.


Are these chemicals a real thing or a theory? Link the hell out of me, please! :shock:
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Re: Are emotions an illusion?

Postby Summerlander » 14 Sep 2015 15:07

Everything is chemicals---so, no theory and no need for links. Your brain is chemicals, and, if you hit it hard enough, you may get a headache and be very unhappy. Hit it harder and you may lose consciousness. So those chemicals must be doing something that begets the awareness of sensations. 8-)

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Re: Are emotions an illusion?

Postby DesertExplorer » 14 Sep 2015 15:56

Summerlander wrote:Everything is chemicals---so, no theory and no need for links. Your brain is chemicals, and, if you hit it hard enough, you may get a headache and be very unhappy. Hit it harder and you may lose consciousness. So those chemicals must be doing something that begets the awareness of sensations. 8-)

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With all due respect, it's interesting but it sounds like a theory more and more now.
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Re: Are emotions an illusion?

Postby Summerlander » 14 Sep 2015 17:53

If I were to hit you over the head with a rolling pin it would start to seem less like a theory and more like an undeniable fact—provided that you would still be able to remember our conversation here. (I'd have to avoid the mnemonic regions of your brain in our would-be demonstrative experiment.) :mrgreen:

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