Lucid dreaming convert to astral projection???

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Lucid dreaming convert to astral projection???

Postby zoegonzalezxoxo » 28 Dec 2015 19:40

I've been lucid dreaming since I was little. My dad taught me how to hold my nose in the dream to stop breathing and tell myself its not real, thats always happened and I didn't realize till I got older what I could do with lucid dreaming. long story short I recently started to fly in my dreams and escape my nightmares by controlling it. I bought a couple guides and I was looking into some crystals to help but I want to know since I am lucid dreaming, can I convert into an astral projection or change from a lucid dream to astral projection?? always been able to control my dreams but I never really read about it and researched till now.

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Re: Lucid dreaming convert to astral projection???

Postby jasmine2 » 03 Jan 2016 04:17

I've read that one way to change a lucid dream to an out-of-body experience is -- If you realize you are lucid in a dream, imagine being in an outdoor landscape. Then imagine feeling your body jumping high so you can fly around and look down at the dream neighborhood.

If this results in occasional out-of-body experiences, then eventually, you can get brave and focus on zooming straight up into the sky at supersonic speed. Request for you dreaming mind to allow you to have an out-of-body experience in a strange realm of existence that is entirely new for you.

Here are some suggested resources, including some discussions which overlap lucid dreaming and out-of-body experiences.

- Book - "Lucid Dreaming: Gateway To The Inner Self" by Robert Waggoner

- Book - "Out Of Body Experiences: How To Have Them And What To Expect" by Robert Peterson
At Amazon - Click - "Look inside - First pages" - (Includes extensive parts of the book)

- Books on out-of-body experiences by Robert Monroe, William Buhlman and Robert Bruce

- Website - The Travels Of A Dreamwalker - karen659.blogspot.com

- Article - "10 Effective Techniques For Experiencing An OBE (Out Of Body Experience) a.k.a. Astral Ptojection" - the mindunleashed.org

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Re: Lucid dreaming convert to astral projection???

Postby Summerlander » 03 Jan 2016 11:06

'Imagine, imagine, imagine ...' is the advice given by Jasmine2. There is no such thing as 'astral projection'. It is all dreaming (concocted by your mind as the brain's 'software') and you are either lucid (knowing it's a dream) or not. To imagine is to conjure images IN your mind. And imagination can also appeal to memory of real places. You'd be merely conjuring visual illusions--not visiting real places incorporeally as in an out-of-body experience. Nothing along the lines of ectoplasm (or some such nonsense) separates from the body. There are no real OBEs, only illusions ... and confirmation bias delusions. :mrgreen:

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Re: Lucid dreaming convert to astral projection???

Postby taniaaust1 » 20 Jan 2016 16:03

I personally think its very hard to go into a astral projection state from a dream one as when one is dreaming what one thinks, one then usually dreams. So this means that when one is trying to tune into ones astral body and not ones dream body it is more then likely that the dreamer then will on wanting to astrally project, is then quite likely to only go dreaming about it.

There is a different mind state involved.. with dreaming one has let go of the mind enough that ones subconsciousness is creating things eg dreaming or drifting some. With astral projection, its more like a physical mental state (by this I don't mean a very clear thoughts which also can be had in LD, I mean a state in which the subconsciousness isn't just creating around one constantly). Both LD and AP though have the same physical body state of complete body relaxation going on.

if you want to experience AP I suggest to give up doing LD for a while (at least several months) so you aren't in the habit of entering a LD mind state. Then if you focus on energy work ie energy raising AP techniques (some of the occultic methods of working with energy are quite powerful eg Denning and Phillips method in their book on Astral projection is a great occultic method).. then its lot easier to end up having spontaneous OBEs or learning how to move your energy and astral body out of the physical one to experience an OBE.

One thing about astral projection is that one doesn't have to go to sleep to have an OBE and the extremely experienced can be having astral experiences at the same time as going about their daily lives.
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Re: Lucid dreaming convert to astral projection???

Postby ghost kid » 07 Feb 2016 16:55

How can you project from a lucid dream?I read a book say all you have to do is shout out is "i have an out of body experience from my dream now!" Does that work?And by the way the name of the book is called adventures beyond the body and the author's name is william buhlman.

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Re: Lucid dreaming convert to astral projection???

Postby Enra Traz » 10 Feb 2016 22:19

Tania ... what a load of pseudo-scientific mystical gobbledegook! Astral projection during our daily lives sounds a lot like imagination to me! :-D

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Postby Carter Blunt » 11 Feb 2016 01:50

I was watching some internet porn for 2 minutes or so, all of a sudden I was like, "Wow, I'd better finish this elsewhere before my keyboard gets all messy..." ...so I went into the shower, and once I was there I astral projected my naked body into another realm where there was an astral being that looked just like the chick from the porno... we started you know, doing stuff, and next thing you know I was finished. True story.

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Re: Lucid dreaming convert to astral projection???

Postby Summerlander » 11 Feb 2016 18:55

Great story! :mrgreen:
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Re: Lucid dreaming convert to astral projection???

Postby Enra Traz » 14 Feb 2016 13:11

Primo! :mrgreen:

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Re: Lucid dreaming convert to astral projection???

Postby taniaaust1 » 19 Feb 2016 13:08

Enra Traz wrote:Tania ... what a load of pseudo-scientific mystical gobbledegook! Astral projection during our daily lives sounds a lot like imagination to me! :-D

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it may sound like gobbledegook but I have known 5 different people who can do that over the years (it is very uncommon, I hang around healers and psychics for over 15 years and only ever met 5 who could or at least showed and/or told me they could and which I saw evidence of it.. Four of these people were in same social group so I met in same place (they all knew each other so I was introduced to the others by two which helped me ..and one later became my teacher for a while).

Another was a student of his that he'd taught to do it.. my teacher himself had been taught to do it, trained in occult stuff since a young child (he was in some kind of special order).. (they could do some other strange stuff too, I had some weird experiences with them including my teacher trying to pull me out of body while I was fully awake and on phone to him.. it was weird, I started perceiving things in his home)

another two I met were connected to them (but not taught by by teacher but had natural gifts in able to do OBE and do this (I don't think they were trained in it), one of those also helped me one time using his gift.. and my teacher helped me once too with something too using his OBE skill).

The only one I met who was unrelated to the group of others who could do this, I first met at a psychic expo who was actually giving demos using astral projection while standing to read what people in audience were writing on cards far away from him (when he had his back turned)... he was well known in occultic circles so a guest speaker at this large expo where thousands of people went and also used to teach occultic stuff including OBE .

I ended up attending one of his classes though I had no luck with it (I'd had a few spontaneous OBEs myself before that but had been hoping to master the skill). I didn't even have a regular OBE with him though others did in the class with him. I didn't find his teaching helpful though he certainly knew his stuff and had that amazing ability with it to do it whenever he wanted..at the demo he did it standing (but his body went all loose.. sagging at knees etc and stayed frozen in that position the whole time he was out as if he wasn't in it while he projected to read things on other side of room people had written down.

My teacher thou and the other 3 were different and could project just while relaxed but fully still there and talking but I mentioned the other one too as just being able to stay standing while projecting is unusual and I consider very gifted in it.

In occultic circle things like watchers are more common, when someone gets relaxed and sends some astral energy out (like an astral ball) and sends it somewhere to "watch" someone or something (so not getting any feedback from it while going about daily life) and then later just recalls it back and then has any info it picked up flow back in (which they usually do while just meditating).

those who do remote viewing experience being in two places at once (very much like I was talking about though the remote viewer does it in a meditative kind of state)

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