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Richard Griffin
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From elsewhere, but: Here, Now. :-)

Postby Richard Griffin » 17 Jun 2017 13:16

Hi Folks,

And thanks to the Moderators for all their good work.

NB For newbies (like me) I can recommend the great articles at for answers to many of your questions.

I am relatively new to forum life, having been involved in only one other forum previous to here, so please excuse me in advance for any clumsiness.

I posted the following in the ‘Beginners Questions Welcome’ thread in the Beginners Section so I figured I may as well use it as my intro (it gives one a brief overview of my journey so far and poses an interesting conundrum).

Once again, apologies if this topic has been covered elsewhere.

I’ve had a sniff around but have had no luck finding answers on the topic.

It’s about how the process has left me tired all the time so it does relate to one of Rebecca’s FAQs in ‘Frequently Asked Questions - Lucid Dreaming’ thread in the beginners section (thanks, Rebecca!).

I include Rebecca's FAQ here (below) but neither the question or answer truly apply, so I’m wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience (and if it gets better!)

Rebecca wrote:

Are lucid dreams tiring?

The short answer for 99% of people is no.

You dream for around 100 minutes every night, broken down into multiple different dreams occurring in different phases of sleep. The average proficient lucid dreamer can expect to do it maybe 2-4 times a week, with each session lasting 10-40 minutes. Most people don't miss that sleep - even if it were deemed to be worthless (which it isn't). Indeed, a lucid dream can often leave you on a natural high for the rest of the day, which gives you more mental and physical energy.

For a very small fraction of people, lucid dreaming occurs every night. They can feel engulfed by their conscious dreams and unable to sleep deeply and properly the whole night. This can leave them feeling sleep deprived and is a very real sleep disorder once it begins to impact on their normal daily life. That's not to say lucid dreaming is a sleep disorder - anything in excess can have profound effects on the mind and body. People who complain of this condition have usually been lucid dreaming their whole lives and should seek expert advice from a sleep specialist.

My story, briefly, is that I have been experimenting with Lucid Dreaming for a fortnight or so and am able to become lucid (more accurately and more often, semi-lucid) almost every night just from keeping a journal, practicing reality checks in the day and setting some pre-sleep intention.

All good so far, yeah?

I’m obviously a complete novice so my attempts at evoking stability and maintaining lucidity are... well I’ve had mixed results: mostly fairly average (as you’d imagine) but with some notable successes, also.

The trouble is that since I began the process I’ve rarely felt properly rested.

I wake fairly often but that’s not unusual for me, even with non-lucid dreams. I can get back to sleep, more often than not, fairly quickly, and in fact waking is helpful because I often WILD this way.

Anyhow, last few days I read some great articles and picked up Waggoner & McCready’s 'Lucid Dreaming – Plain and Simple' so have a lot of great tools about maintaining stability and deepening lucidity, etc. (I don’t have high expectations at this stage, my intention being to simply practice the basics until I become more proficient).

But, and here’s the kicker: I’m feeling so sleep deprived that I’m scatty and forgetful and cranky almost as much as when I had a daily pot-habit! The last couple nights it has felt to me that this PFC deficiency is hindering my attempts to even perform basic tasks once lucid (like grounding myself, or evoking clarity or whatever), I simply forget or get distracted.

I don’t want to give up on LD but I’m hoping that someone else has had a similar experience and can tell me that it improved once they honed their techniques. Or if someone could offer some advice?

My plan at this stage (to see if I can’t feel more rested) is three-fold.

1. I will continue with journaling but lay off the reality checks, pre-sleep intention or purposeful WILDS for a week or so. Essentially: not chasing Lucidity.

2. If I do become lucid by chance, I figure I may as well practice stabilising and grounding (if I can remember to!), but just briefly with the intention to let the lucidity slide soon after.

3. If lucid then, before I let it slide, I intend to ask the dream “What can I do to feel more rested though this!?” (again, that's if I can remember to!). If I get a good answer I will try to wake up while I remember it, if not I’ll revert to step two.

This should be very interesting, either way.

Can anyone imagine being lucid or semi-lucid and trying not to maintain it? The reverse psychology might well have us more lucid than ever!

Anyhow, once again, any feedback at all would be much appreciated.

Good best of luck with your own adventures. I look fwd to sharing the journey with you all.


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Re: From elsewhere, but: Here, Now. :-)

Postby L_u_m_e_n » 30 Jun 2017 01:01

Hello Richard, I have had a similar experience to this which I just very recently found out how to overcome. I made an introductory post about my journey here so I won't go into it all that here but I will say that I was able to finally overcome this. I was just about ready to consult a doctor about my sleeping/dreaming when I decided to reach out, one more time, to these LDing forums and found an answer to my issue. For me, I had to simply create an off-switch by telling myself, "Tonight, I want to have normal dreams." Suffice to say it worked and I've been just shy of a week with no LDs and feel great. Of course I will resume LDs but for now, after just about 3 yrs. of LDing everynight, or dream, I think my mind does deserve a little break. I hope this helps.

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