Vague Hybrid Memory

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Summerlander
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Vague Hybrid Memory

Postby Summerlander » 29 Jan 2013 20:19

Date: 12/01/2013
Method of entry: dream consciousness (unplanned)
Bedtime: 2.15 am
Awakening: around 9 am
Return to bed: 10 mins later
Attempt: successful (at the given opportunity)
Phase experience: vague hybrid memory

Me and my wife ended up going to bed at 2.15am after having a few alcoholic beverages with our neighbour Helen. I remember waking up a couple of times during the night to use the toilet. I was not planning to enter the phase in any way. In the morning, around nine o’clock, I used the toilet and returned to bed ten minutes later. As I was feeling groggy from the alcohol and the late night antics, I fell asleep as soon as I hit the pillow. The dreaming began vividly as far as I’m aware...

I was hiding in a town full of warring vampires and this scenario was perfectly logical to me. The monsters were viciously one another as well as killing any human that got in their way. I decided to hide inside a house but it turned out to be a vampire lair. I had no choice but to pretend I was one of them as I believed at the time that this was the only option I had for surviving the ordeal. I was lucky enough to find a fake set of vampire teeth and discovered that they possessed the magical property of turning me into a real vampire when I put them on. Suddenly, I felt super strong, my muscles began to bulge, my canines became genuine and a natural excitation surged within me.

The house suddenly looked like my adolescence home and the family of vampires accepted me as one of their own. Before I knew it, I was socialising among my family and friends. We all nestled down on the sofa and turned the TV on to watch a film about vampires starring Wesley Snipes (no, it wasn’t “Blade”). Someone asked me to call the most mean spirited of vampires who happened to be in the attic by himself. When I went to get him, this one sulked and mocked the rest of us for wanting to watch a film. He seemed to think that watching TV was the most ignoble thing a vampire could do. This dream character was a complete stranger to me and certainly the only vampire at this stage of my non-lucid dream.

I went back to the living room and sat on the sofa with the others. The sofa rocked back and forth and I told everybody I could fall asleep very quickly with the motion. I shut my eyes and pretended to snore and heard laughter in the room. I was comfortable and felt that sleeping rather than watching TV was an attractive possibility. Suddenly, I acquired the perception of a phantom body apart from the dream body that I thought was real and the process of entering the phase came to mind. I was about to have an OOBE within a dream but at this stage I believed the dream was reality. An intentional forward motion triggered spinning on a head-to-toe axis. I was somersaulting in a dark void before I made the decision to glide ahead and out of a partially perceived body resting on a rocking sofa.

Vision was weak but I could still make out people sitting on a sofa that was now stationary. I treated the environment as a product of the phase state and began to deepen it immediately in order to get rid of the fuzziness. The others appeared to be watching TV and were oblivious to my presence. I realised that the events before reaching the phase had been part of a dream. I was wary of approaching the TV spectators as I wanted to avoid submission to another dream plot. I was well aware of the fact that I had just attained dream consciousness rather than having entered the dream world fully conscious as is the case in perceived separations from the physical body from the waking standpoint. The initial stage of this phase experience was marked by shock at the realisation that none of the people I socialised with in that setting had been real.

As I walked out of the living room, the phase started to fade so I palpated objects, walls and peered at details in order to bring its depth back. There was a subsequent improvement in the quality of the environment but full depth was only attained when I rubbed my hands together whilst puffing on them. I couldn’t help but notice the amazingly intricate cutaneous prints on my hands. I was standing in the hallway of that house and two bicycles were propped against a wall and partially blocking my way. I studied their minute details with my fingers and learned that wire was sticking out of the complex framework.

Then, I remembered that I had devised a plan of action in waking life for the next time I entered the phase but I couldn’t recall what it was. During the day at work, before I knew that I’d be drinking alcohol with Helen, I told myself that the next time I entered the phase I would do a card trial (deck of cards experiment) and then translocate to the gallery in my imaginary workshop. Now, having unexpectedly found an opportunity for phase entrance and taken it, all I knew was that one of the steps in my plan involved the workshop. I decided to translocate there immediately in the hope that the relevant environment would jog my memory.

I ran back to the living room in order to shut my eyes and open them to the workshop environment but this attempt at translocation failed. As I blindly dashed into the room I could hear the people from my previous dream talking to one another. A voice chuckled and said: “Look, he’s back!” I found this a little distracting, and, as I knew I was approaching a wall I feared I would crash into it. I stopped abruptly and instinctively covered my face in order to protect it. My mistake was regarding the wall as though it existed. I shouldn’t be surprised then that when I opened my eyes the living room still surrounded me. I turned around and ran in a reattempt at the same translocation technique.

I emerged in a blue room with a toy-strewn floor. None of the playthings looked familiar or even remotely like my children’s. I looked at these strange and colourful objects as an opportunity to maintain the phase via the intensification of tactility coupled with the goal of learning from the haptic data. I felt that the room existed in the mirror world inside a simulation of my abode. A toy clock started ringing on a pile of objects. I picked it up and turned it off by flipping a switch. Subsequently, as I tried to remember my plan of action, I paced up and down the room. I knew I needed to find something and out of the blue I decided that there was a safe hidden behind a particular wall area. A blow to the spot with my fist revealed a square-shaped hole. When I peered inside I made out a metallic safe next to a device resembling a boiler meter. I opened the safe and pulled out a paper strip with the number “3436” on it. This number doesn’t mean anything to me in particular.

In the real world, Stacey moved in bed, knocked me and I fouled around 10.30am. Having involuntarily exited the phase, I realised I hadn’t really carried out any of the steps of my action plan which I now fully remembered. It appeared to me that I had experienced a vague hybrid memory constituting the ideas behind two steps. The urge to translocate to the workshop first - which landed me in the blue room - might have stemmed from a dim awareness of the step concerning a visit to the gallery. The element of looking inside a safe to find a numbered paper strip could have its roots in an inner desire to execute a card trial. Moreover, the latter step was supposed to come before the former. It appears that the manifested outcome was contorted either by subconscious elements, stray thinking, the combination of two different concepts (one demanding art, and the other, numbers - originating from two different brain hemispheres), or, the agency of ethanol in my organism (alcohol can indeed affect one’s memory).

It is worth taking into consideration the fact that memory and other mental faculties can fail us in the phase as well as the waking state. Sometimes the latter can assimilate the kind of reasoning most common in dreams. I will provide an example that illustrates such scenario. Recently in waking life me and my wife were watching a cooking program on TV. When she put a comedy show DVD on we could hear the sounds from both because we have a surround sound system. It wasn’t until she pressed the AV button a couple of times that it settled solely on the DVD sound and picture. Anyway, while the sounds from both TV and DVD aired, I was convinced that my kids had turned their telly on and the volume was up when it was past their bedtime. Just as I was about to go upstairs to tell them off it dawned on me that it would really have been out of character of them to do that. While awake, I had made an assumption about reality that didn’t really fit the norm and remained ignorant about the surround sound illusion until I had my moment of lucidity.

Phase state = lucid dreaming/out-of-body experience
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Vague Hybrid Memory

Postby Errant Soul » 31 Jan 2013 03:10

Sounds like like a fun experience. Probably two things you can take out of it.

One, horror is merely a perception the experience. To what may seem horrible to you may simply seem ordinary to another.

The second is the number. 3436 = 3+4+3+6 = 16 = 1+6 = 7. A simple prime number addition, but under the mathematical logic in Tarot Cards it represents a transitional phase in the creation of your soul's astral self into a creator, or a type of awakening. That would explain why your ability to experience your dream has increased.

You could probably pull up a planetary alignment or horoscope on yourself and find some synchronicity that validates the idea or the evolution of your dream.

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Re: Vague Hybrid Memory

Postby Summerlander » 31 Jan 2013 10:34

Hmmm...

Interesting interpretation. I've never been good at maths. I've always been more of an artist. I've been doing maths with my son lately though. How about if we minus the numbers instead of adding?
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Vague Hybrid Memory

Postby Errant Soul » 31 Jan 2013 14:52

The plus sign came into use as a mathematical operator in our equations because some guy understood the "+" sign represented the astral soul inserted into the elemental soul. The irony is that this sign, the embodiment of creation of man, is assigned a value of "0" in equations and is used to add things.

Use a minus and you'll get back to zero or to a prime number again. The you have to ask yourself, what is "0", what is "-", what is "+".

And these were all merely drawings to begin with.

Oh, Addendum. 10 is the number of the complete creator, whether man, divine, or nature.

Another addendum. 10 = 1+0 = 1. Basically, we are complete beings since the beginning. Our life is simply the cyclic journey of the realization of this truth.

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Re: Vague Hybrid Memory

Postby Summerlander » 02 Feb 2013 03:18

Another addendum. 10 = 1+0 = 1. Basically, we are complete beings since the beginning. Our life is simply the cyclic journey of the realization of this truth.


Interesting concept. But what do you make of the fact that we started out as less than, say, flies. We began as zygotes, which, needless to say, marked a period of our most incomplete existence as we were only a gamete cell. Meanwhile, a fly can have up to 10,000 cells in its brain alone. :mrgreen:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Vague Hybrid Memory

Postby Errant Soul » 02 Feb 2013 15:50

Simple, you assume the zygote is an incomplete creation, where as it truly is a complete creation. It just became the solid building foundation for the series of creations that eventually became you.

10 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 8 > 9 > 10

All complete stages of the creator, going from a new creation to a new creation in a cyclical patter, where 10 marks the new creation of the creator's self, ever spiraling into infinity.

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Re: Vague Hybrid Memory

Postby Summerlander » 02 Feb 2013 22:27

Nah, mate! You can't cheat like that. Ten does not come before one. Zero does. :twisted:
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Vague Hybrid Memory

Postby blackbird » 02 Feb 2013 22:50

Hi Summerlander,

I registered to this forum this afternoon, and I've read it full time since then. I'm very impressed with your wisdom concerning lucid dreaming. I have two questions:
- What is your deck of cards experiment?
- What can lucid dreaming bring of real value to us? Can it be something more than just nice memories when we wake up and some insight about our unconscious? (the Freudian term, that I prefer over "subconscious", which is incorrect IMO)

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Re: Vague Hybrid Memory

Postby Summerlander » 04 Feb 2013 16:31

What is your deck of cards experiment?


It's a "suggestive" study that I am conducting regarding the possibility of ESP during lucid dreaming (going by the hypothesis that most of the content originates in our minds but some might be shared if the geomagnetic field connects our brains in such a way) . I am only conducting a limited number of trials. Again, what we get at the end won't be conclusive, only suggestive. Here is a link with more information:

http://forum.obe4u.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1156

I've gone a little bit further and so far there have been more "misses" than "hits". Chances are that what we get in lucid dreams is mostly, if not entirely, governed by the unconscious (to use your more accurate term).

This is more or less what the cards look like in the lucid dream world (well, in my case, after all, it is subjective). They tend to be more complex than the real ones:

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What can lucid dreaming bring of real value to us? Can it be something more than just nice memories when we wake up and some insight about our unconscious?


Yes, it can definitely be more than just nice memories when we wake up. The fact that lucid dreaming is salient enough to leave an impression can be used to our advantage in getting us in a good mood. But it can do so much more.

Proven and practical applications of lucid dreaming are based on three qualities inherent in the state itself (more information regarding this can be found in Michael Raduga's "The Phase" guidebook):

1) application founded on the lucid dream's ability to simulate any object and any space with any properties and functions.

2) application based on the opportunity to connect with the unconscious mind in order to obtain information.

3) application based on the lucid dream's ability to impact a practitioner's physiology.


The following are examples of how lucid dreaming can be beneficial apart from individuals being conscious during their sleep to make up for the fact that life is short:

- Taking medicine in lucid dreams can dupe your brain into “switching off” its pain receptors as the placebo effect is more prominent in such state - in extreme cases of illness, medical assistance must still be sought (healing).

- Facing your fears while lucid is a great psychological tool (self-integration and therapy).

- Contacting deceased loved ones regardless of whether you believe that they are real or realistically simulated can be an exhilarating and emotional experience of relief (helps with grieving).

- In lucid dreams, eat as much as you want and whatever you want without putting weight on (helps with dieting).

- Learning new skills and honing existent ones (confidence and adroitness).

- Fulfilling sexual fantasies (pleasure without social constraint).

- Accessing the unconscious mind reservoir (information and problem-solving).

- Visiting exotic places, exploring other worlds and being adventurous (escapism and entertainment).

- Lucid dreaming can generate new ideas at your request (artistic purposes).


There are many other uses for it. The mind is the limit in the world of active imagination. You can definitely learn a lot from lucid dreaming. Not too long ago I posted an experience where I was salsa dancing with great confidence. I was terrible before but now I think I'd be able to wow a crowd at a salsa club. I have no doubt in my mind that lucid dreaming is a tool with which we can develop new neural connections and turn what once seemed difficult or unnatural into an easy and natural task.
"Empty cognizance of one taste, suffused with knowing, is your unmistaken nature, the uncontrived original state. when not altering what is, allow it to be as it is, and the awakened state is right now spontaneously present."

- Padmasambhava

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Re: Vague Hybrid Memory

Postby blackbird » 04 Feb 2013 23:12

Very interesting summerlander, I like your approach. Give me a couple of months to sharpen my lucid dreaming skills, and I'll join you in your experiments :)

By the way I decided to embrace New Age terminology and go for "subconscious" instead of the Freudian term, will make things easier ;)


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