kenosis and astral projection

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kenosis and astral projection

Postby onderdonk » 09 Mar 2013 02:18

This was a delusion so potent that on the first night, about 27 years ago, which I remember vividly and viscerally, it was an outright hallucination. And over a little time with a little practice, I developed this belief…

I have ghost bugs, it's been a problem on and off for 27 years, from right back there in that period in my early twenties, dropped out of college working for 16k in New York City computer rooms and living on my own through "roomate finders", in a bunch of interesting and weird situations in Queens and Brooklyn, and getting the push in toward madness from Hegel books, a series of 19th century German philosophy books by a very crazy guy, George w Hegel;

He wanted to be the official philosopher of Prussia, didn’t quite get the job, had teaching jobs where he'd teach a class for five years then write the book, we have his book and the notes of several students with all the additions - "Zuatz" - he'd ramble on in class, including comments like "he'd stop take a pinch of snuff and then expound the theory again with more color, like this..."

The mechanics of kenosis are what I want to try to explain. It's a simple mind experiment, a "gedanken", or thought experiment, that I performed one night, and maybe philosophy students aren't the ones to be doing astral projection, maybe it's the schizophrenics, or the lucid dreamers, who can do this.

Astral projection in a little purple how to book from my mother's basement was something else I was reading and getting into at the time. This is what I bring to the table, combining Hegel’s clearly mapped kenotic "spilling out" of the fish tank of self into a separate tank, (you know, while you're cleaning the tank you put the whole set of fish in a stand by tank, maybe not as pretty and eventually to be sacrificed,) well, that's where I intend to be going with this. I also bring to the table the introduction of kenotic projection to the new much larger distances available to modern day astrophysics - I keep an eye on the field of cosmic cartography, the project to map all of heaven out as far as our most outlandish telescopes can see.
And this is a new level of sorcery never before available to mankind; this is what I want to explain here.

So the mechanics of kenosis are three stages. Stage one we are "essence", not really thinking too much just hungry tired horny etc., essence, on the inside, looking out, presumably looking out from inside this flesh, this place we think we are inside ever since early infancy, we can move our own fingers and toes so we must be in there, can't move the desk or mommy so must not be in there. Basic infantile logic. So we are infantile, just essence, as stage one of this, just here, within ourselves.

Stage two gets interesting, we start to look out, not just at the object of our hunger or lust but out at... ourselves.

Now I don't remember how "far" Hegel was positing the essence's vision of itself was from itself, but I decided somehow that the more distance, the more intense and interesting the effect might be. And I'd been practicing basic astral projection already - come outside your body, do basic exercises for control practice, then go fly out in space to other planets and walk around. That itself is a trip, so I think it could have been my original idea to introduce distance between stage one and two of kenosis, and I remember writing that the greater the distance between stage one and two, the brighter the light that shines. This is how I learned to reach in and shine a bright light out of my mind that can beam to the ends of the universe and see and know everything, a light much brighter that the human organism was meant to hold, I think, and the light also surprised me in that it lit up the microscopic world all around me that the subconscious was supposed to withhold from us, the crawling hotel room, the demons all around us, it's not pretty.

So stage two, that night on the little triangular patio, was me looking at the moon, and on the moon I decided to place my vision of myself, for this experiment. First time I ever did it. I sat there, looking at the moon, picturing myself there, right there in a little triangular patio with a little green book and a drink on the table, up there in the middle of nowhere on the bright white moon.

Maybe I loose people at this point, the college students I mean. Maybe I never explained to them about the astral projection aspect to this .So if you can do that, see yourself over there on the moon, just 'cause that hallucination more or less, and focus on it for a little while, THAT is stage two.

And so here's stage three. Stage three, the "real" you right here on earth, above the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway, the essence, well, the "essence spills out", so this is a leap of thought, so the you right here with you the essence on the inside, this you is now that you, you just kind of imagine for a moment that the vision you were looking at on the moon is now this stuff right here.

So it's like your hallucination got suddenly allot more vivid, 'cause now its perception not hallucination. A moment ago you were trying to see yourself on the clear white palate of the moon, and you were tiny in the field of vision, no matter how well you did in the hallucinating. But suddenly it's all quite clear and life size. This is a mind experiment, a bracketing, a temporary suspension of disbelief, so that I temporarily believe that I am that me that I was just looking at on the moon, here I am, on the moon, I can take a sip of my drink, I can look at my hands, my arms, look at that I went to the moon and now I am there, have perception. I begin to look more closely at every little detail of my environment, 'cause, hell, this is the MOON!

And the hallucination that happened that first night, that never quite happened again, was I could see light, a hallucination of light emitting from my body, it was at the joints, I was standing there on the triangular patio "on the moon" bending my arms back and forth at the different joints 'cause I couldn’t believe the light coming out of my body. But I continued to do the experiment, not just to the moon but out to the other planets, the sun, the center of the galaxy (and the well mapped neighborhood around the black hole, like the molecular cloud Sagittarius B2, the "large molecule heimat", or homeland, there that's a German term but it didn't come from Hegel books it came from some astrophysics article years ago.

I proceeded to other galaxies, other larger galaxy clusters, then the fateful trips to "redshift space", so far away it's in the past. Kenotic projection outside of time. that is a gateway to madness. And to this day, the practice of this mind experiment 'causes a burst of ghost bugs.

That night wasn't really my first, I had stumbled on this phenomena once early in grammar school, and registered the shock but didn't know how else to use it at the time. I'd been in my catholic school classroom, front row desk, daydreaming as always, for an extended period. Don't remember much of those daydreams of course - oh the girl I had a crush on or the pen and pencil as rocket ships, is what I remember ruminating about - but that day I remember that I was shocked by the kenotic spilling, as I sat there in class but drifted far away, in my vision I was walking home, doing stuff there, then walking to school, walking up the stairs, walking into the classroom and sitting down in my front row short guy seat, and then I realized - BOOM – I really am here, in my vision, here in the front row seat, that was weird. I swear I first noticed the kenotic effect that day.


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Re: kenosis and astral projection

Postby taniaaust1 » 09 Mar 2013 12:29

What you are talking about some are trained to do this and can live in two realities at the same time due to this. What I find interesting is these people can be both interacting on this physical plane at the same time as doing something in a different plane eg like being out of body at the same time as being in body.. and if two can do this.. they can meet each other on that other plane and awarely be interacting together there as well. Ive known quite a few people who could do this over the years and at one point did have a teacher who was trying to teach me how to do this stuff..

By bringing the other place to you so its now around you.. its just cause "space" dont really exist as it is.. it actually all exists all at once in the same place while at the same time at every other place. (You may understand what I mean if you've experienced this.. its hard to explain to those who havent). Time dont truely exist as well.. it is quite possible to have EVERYTHING coming in on the one space at once. The location of anything can be changed by a shift of perception as time and space as most humans know it to be dont really exist.

I responded on another thread about your "ghost bugs" .. and on what they truely are. When one starts using their energy in advanced kind of ways ones energy starts to shift which opens up even more doors of awarenss. Some naturally (like yourself) have this ability, while the rest of us have to be taught if we are lucky enough to find a good teacher to "show" us how to move it in this way.
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